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TheLine 
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09-18-17 08:56 AM - Post#232913    
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  • Jeff2sf Said:
why are we focused on philly area prospects? it's neither 1954 nor are we lasalle


My take is that Donahue recruits nationally for his higher profile targets. He also attempts to unearth potentially under-recruited / under-rated prospects more locally, where he should have a home field advantage. Neither Brodeur nor the 3 higher profile recruits from last year were Philly area / NJ recruits. Betley and Goodman were under the radar local recruits who Donahue was right about.


 
Jeff2sf 
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09-18-17 09:28 AM - Post#232917    
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it absolutely stands to reason that we can unearth more unpolished diamonds in our backyard than, say, nebraska.

i objected to the idea of "focusing". we should be recruiting good players from all over the US, as we did with Brodeur, Scott, Williams, Simmons.

 
section110 
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09-18-17 09:38 AM - Post#232919    
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Agreed. If we get Cotton & one of the bigs we're after, I would say it is a very good class to fit our needs with talented players.

 
TheLine 
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09-18-17 09:48 AM - Post#232920    
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Do you really think Donahue has stopped looking nationally for high profile recruits?

When he was hired Donahue said he was going to "focus" on recruiting within a 50 mile radius of Philly. Based on the track record of the past 2 years I think it's clear what he meant by that statement.





 
Jeff2sf 
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09-18-17 10:13 AM - Post#232922    
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i'm surprised you're surprised i would object to that statement.

i'm basically on team donahue. i guess we're arguing semantics, it was just a weird turn of phrase to me to be like "no, it's cool we have no commits right now, we're focusing on philly area (implication to me being "exclusively" focusing).

Whatever, his actions prior to this year would say that's not true.

 
TheLine 
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2018 recruiting
09-18-17 10:29 AM - Post#232924    
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Yes, we're arguing semantics. I agree with you that it's a huge mistake if Donahue is focusing on Philly area recruits to the point that he's not bothering to recruit elsewhere. I just don't believe it's the case.

I think Donahue's recruiting net is wider than Dunphy's. I'm trying to recall our star players under Dunph and can only come up with Ugonna and Koko as not from the Philly area or from NJ. That Dunphy era recruiting net wouldn't work today.



 
Silver Maple 
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09-18-17 11:02 AM - Post#232926    
    In response to TheLine

Pursuing high-profile recruits nationally and searching for diamonds in the rough locally sounds like a pretty smart approach to me. As for the 2018 class, while the lack of commitments to this point is worrisome, it's too early to say this class is a bust. Hopefully, something big will happen soon.

 
Stuart Suss 
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Re: 2018 recruiting
09-18-17 11:06 AM - Post#232927    
    In response to TheLine

Ugonna was not recruited from overseas. He was brought to our attention by a friend of Gil Jackson when Ugonna was at Mercersburg Academy, on the Maryland border, west of Gettysburg. Ugonna was closer to Philadelphia than Jed Ryan (Erie, Pennsylvania) or Scott Kegler (Columbus, Ohio).

However, as I have noted before, Fran Dunphy's success was highly reliant on transfers. We went to the NCAA tournament 10 times during the Fran Dunphy era (defined to include the 2007 team coached by Glen Miller, with Fran Dunphy's players). 7 of those 10 teams had significant contributions from one or more transfers. An 8th team, the 2000 champions, received 13 minutes per game from the backup center, Brown transfer Oggie Kapetanovic. Only the 1999 and 2007 NCAA teams did not have a transfer from another team.

I trust that the former coaches of Jeff Foote (Steve Donahue and Nat Graham) and Ira Bowman (formerly of Providence) all recognize the value of transfers and will improve upon the quality of the current transfers.


Edited by Stuart Suss on 09-18-17 11:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
section110 
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Re: 2018 recruiting
09-18-17 01:22 PM - Post#232934    
    In response to TheLine

Stars: Duncombe, Danlye & Ryan. Decent contributors: Trice, Osmundson, Paul McMahon, Frank Brown, Laater, Kegler, Fikiel & Pettinella & Spiva briefly. Still the geographic net was narrower.



 
TheLine 
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09-18-17 02:26 PM - Post#232936    
    In response to section110

Thanks Stu and section110. That's more comprehensive.

I thought Danley, Ryan and Trice went to HS closer to the Philly area than they actually did. Duncombe was a Schneider recruit.

Still, 4 non-Philly recruits in 2 years seems like a wider net than Dunphy had.


 
Mike Porter 
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09-18-17 02:42 PM - Post#232937    
    In response to TheLine

The transfers thing is interesting...

I totally agree that in the past transfers have been a big part of winning teams. That said, the world of transfers in college basketball has changed even in last 10 years since Foote transferred. Not many kids seem to be transferring down, and many more seem to be transferring up...

 
mrjames 
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09-18-17 05:53 PM - Post#232952    
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Ithiel Horton to Delaware.

 
besnoah 
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09-18-17 08:57 PM - Post#232955    
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Kale Catchings to Harvard.

 
Jeff2sf 
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09-18-17 09:23 PM - Post#232957    
    In response to besnoah

now you guys are just making up names.

 
rbg 
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09-18-17 09:48 PM - Post#232958    
    In response to Jeff2sf

According to Verbal Commits, Jake Lanford, a 2 star 6' 8" center from Charleston, has committed to Yale.

Also, Jaylan Gainey, a 2 star 6' 10" PF from Greensboro, committed to Brown.

Updating the the VC Ivy League 2018 scorecard:
Brown (3) - 2 Star PG (Thomas Shaughnessy), 2 Star SG (David Mitchell), 2 Star PF (Jaylan Gainey)
Columbia (1) - 3 Star PF (Ike Nweke)
Cornell (0) - none
Dartmouth (2) - 2.5 Star PG (Taurus Samuels), 3 Star SG (Wes Slajchert)
Harvard (2) - 3.5 Star PG (Spencer Freedman), 2 Star SF (Kale Catchings)
Penn (0) - none
Princeton (3) - 3.5 Star PG (Jaelin Llewellyn), 2 Star PG (Ethan Wright), 2 Star SF (Drew Friberg)
Yale (3) - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg), 2 Star C (Jake Lanford)


 
mrjames 
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09-19-17 07:57 AM - Post#232961    
    In response to rbg

Just knowing what's left on the board, Harvard and Princeton should end up with the top two classes - how their hit rate on their top remaining targets goes should determine the order and the distance they put between them and the chase pack.

Third could be coming down to Brown or Yale. If those two each land a top target or two they have left, they'll be tough to catch for third and fourth.

 
TheLine 
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09-19-17 11:39 AM - Post#232971    
    In response to mrjames

Mike, which of the 2-stars do you like the most?


 
mrjames 
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09-19-17 02:00 PM - Post#232979    
    In response to TheLine

The ones that I've heard differentiating stuff about would be David Mitchell, Kale Catchings and Ethan Wright. Pretty good stuff on Eze Dike, Drew Friberg and Thomas Shaugnessy too.

Right now, my league top six would be:
Jaelin
Spencer
Taurus
Ethan/Kale/David

I think three of what will ultimately be the top five haven't committed yet...

 
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