mrjames
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02-21-18 05:25 PM - Post#248809
In response to PennFan10
Harvard's class is very strong, especially for a small class. Noah Kirkwood is a ridiculous talent - essentially a 6'7 point guard that is great in the open floor and plays strong defense. If he could shoot the three consistently, he'd be at a Duke/Kansas/Kentucky, but that part of his game is a work in progress. For now, he's a more physically developed and overall bigger Wes Saunders. I think Spencer Freedman is overhyped as a consensus 4-star, but should be a very solid and steady backup point guard for a couple years barring injury. You'll really see him shine as a junior/senior (when, by the way, he'll be 22 and 23).
Mason Forbes is a bit of a project in the post (and I'd have rather seen the team go with Trey Jemison, who was a bit more of a true 5), but he could be a good energy guy early in his career. Kale Catchings is interesting - super athletic slasher - but not a likely freshman breakout candidate.
All told, it's a Top 50 class nationally, possibly on the fringes of the Top 25 depending on how good you feel about Kirkwood.
Princeton's class is similar. Jaelin is a stud. Ethan Wright is a solid off guard, who could also make an impact right away. The rest are intriguing pieces that could be big contributors later in their careers.
Not a huge fan of what Penn has done with the combined 2017 and 2018 classes, though Wang, Williams, Scott as a class is *probably* the third best one in the Ivies. There's just such a big gap between what Harvard and Princeton were able to do in this down year and everyone else did.
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FlaQuaker
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02-21-18 05:38 PM - Post#248811
In response to mrjames
Mike, how are things looking for 2019 throughout the league--any info on how that class is shaping up at this point in the process?
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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02-21-18 05:49 PM - Post#248814
In response to mrjames
Lot of pressure on Donahue this year. He's really got to up his recruiting game or this season's success will be seen as more of an aberration than anything.
I cannot imagine how frustrating recruiting must be, particularly with a shrinking (thank you, AI minimum) universe of eligible talent.
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mrjames
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02-21-18 06:20 PM - Post#248819
In response to FlaQuaker
Always hard to say until the test scores come in and the targets continue to progress (or not, as in the 2018 class) over the spring/summer circuits.
From what I've heard, 2019 should be a big year for Ivy-eligible bigs, if not for Ivy prospects for the class as a whole. At the very least, many Ivy teams have made sure to leave themselves a bunch of open slots for the 2019 class rather than taking extra players in the 2018 class, so that's usually a sign of belief in what's to come (could also be a further condemnation of what was available for 2018, though).
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SomeGuy
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02-21-18 08:35 PM - Post#248839
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Well, I think he has some time. Obviously it would be great to capitalize on the soph class as fast as possible, but we still have them for 2 more years after this.
So I’m not too worried. Think of the Wang class as a stronger version of Dunphy’s Solomito class.
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AsiaSunset
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02-22-18 11:23 AM - Post#248884
In response to SomeGuy
Speaking of injuries, Dave Zeitlin had a nice article on Dan Dwyer. He was operated on post Christmas for a rare form of diverticulitis and lost 30 pounds in the process. He's stayed very connected to the team and will be honored on senior night but is not expected to take a 5th year at Penn. He is on track to graduate in May.
He might take a 5th year at another school as a grad student but that's yet to be determined.
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palestra38
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02-22-18 11:30 AM - Post#248885
In response to AsiaSunset
http://www.pennathletics.com/news/2018/2/21/mens-b ...
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Silver Maple
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02-22-18 11:30 AM - Post#248886
In response to AsiaSunset
Wouldn't it be nice if Dan could take that 5th year at Penn as a grad student?
I'd be interested in hearing the argument against such a policy.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
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Reg: 07-28-07
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02-22-18 02:10 PM - Post#248896
In response to Silver Maple
I'm not sure that the NCAA (or the Ivy League) permits that. He could choose to double major at Penn (though it may be too late for that) and get a 5th year. Keep in mind that staying at Penn means paying $75,000; having another school pick him up may give him a free year. My hope is that he makes the best decision for HIS future and that he fully recovers from this unfortunate illness.
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13otto
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02-25-18 03:36 PM - Post#249505
In response to SomeGuy
Jackson hasn’t been dressed for home games either, in months. I’ve never heard what the injury is, if any, but it appears there is one. So theoretically he could be clear to play and dress this weekend, but I doubt it at this point.
Mark Jackson had a boot on his right foot last night, and I think I recall seeing him wearing the boot at the Palestra a few weeks earlier, as well.
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DJ Jazzy Jeff
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02-25-18 10:47 PM - Post#249540
In response to 13otto
I'm pretty sure that how Penn handles the Ivy League rule when it comes to "red shirts"/extra years of eligibility (even when it comes as a result of an injury) is as follows: if you are on campus and participating in basketball activities then that counts as a year of eligibility. I.e. Antonio has a extra year because he left school. I believe everybody else that has been previously mentioned as "moving to another class" won't be able to do so.
Penn is different than other schools that make their students effectively withdraw from school, in that if a student doesn't participate in basketball activities while on campus, they don't count it as a year of eligibility. To further explain, if you are a student at Harvard and in your senior year decide to tryout and make the basketball team, you have that 1 year of eligibility left, while if you were at Penn, you would have 4. So to sum things up, since everybody previously mentioned hasn't stopped basketball activities, they are all still in their respective classes.
If I'm wrong, please correct me (but I'm pretty sure I'm right).
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-25-18 10:49 PM - Post#249541
In response to DJ Jazzy Jeff
Big advantage for Penn over other schools.
Wonder if it's used much.
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palestra38
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02-25-18 11:04 PM - Post#249542
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
It's not just Penn, and it's one year, not four.
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TheLine
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02-26-18 10:56 AM - Post#249561
In response to palestra38
It's not used much.
I think there still needs to be a compelling reason why the student athlete requires 5 years to complete a bachelor's degree. For example a dual business / engineering degree requires 5 years worth of classes.
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palestra38
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02-26-18 11:03 AM - Post#249564
In response to TheLine
Last 3 I can remember are Bernardini (made a difference), Darren Smith and Andreas Schreiber, who made little or no difference in their 5th years
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mrjames
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02-26-18 11:21 AM - Post#249569
In response to palestra38
Yeah - I think any advantage that this afforded has waned significantly due to the attractiveness of the grad transfer market. Any player good enough to make an impact in his fifth year is probably good enough to get a multi-bid league grad transfer scholarship. Maybe in the right circumstances (full FA and a desired double-major) it makes sense for a high caliber player to stay for the 5th year, but I'd expect that many of the players we regret losing to the grad transfer wouldn't have stayed in this league as a 5th year anyway.
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AsiaSunset
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02-26-18 11:56 AM - Post#249578
In response to mrjames
Mater Dei Hoops
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@MaterDeiHoops Feb 24
FINAL: MD advances to the CIF Open Division Final next Friday w/ a 76-66 win over Etiwanda! Wang flirts w/ a triple/double 23pts/10rbs/8ast, Freedman 22pts (13-16 FT)/5ast, Lundeen 11pts, Breidenbach 10pts/8rbs, Butler 4pts/12rbs
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yoyo
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02-26-18 01:39 PM - Post#249601
In response to AsiaSunset
I cannot wait to see this kid in a Penn uniform
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AsiaSunset
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03-03-18 10:27 AM - Post#250398
In response to yoyo
Meanwhile Mater Dei squeaked by in the CIF -SS finals. Wang had 14 and Freedman 13. Wang fouled out with 5+ to go and Freedman made some key plays down the stretch to secure a 2 point victory.
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Stuart Suss
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03-03-18 11:23 AM - Post#250410
In response to AsiaSunset
Is there any live video of upcoming playoff games?
Is there archived video of past playoff games?
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