besnoah
Masters Student
Posts: 803
Reg: 12-14-05
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07-19-17 11:29 PM - Post#231098
In response to Jeff2sf
Penn mentioned in this bit on Noah Kirkwood:
"Kirkwood is currently an Ivy League priority as Harvard, Yale and Penn would love to find a way to add the talented Canadian. However, the Brookwood Elite product spoke highly of Notre Dame, Texas and Vanderbilt, too, as many others are expected to enter the picture for the versatile forward."
https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/stock...
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-20-17 10:23 AM - Post#231103
In response to besnoah
The scouting services seem to be catching up now, but he's deserved to be a Top 100 kid info the 2017/2018 class for a long time now. If he demonstrated a consistent 3-point shot, he'd be a five-star kid going to Duke or something, but as it stands, he's a dead ringer for a more physically imposing Wesley Saunders. Same playmaking skills for others while being almost impossible to keep from getting to where he wants to go in the lane.
There have been some really good, ready-for-primetime freshmen to come into the league recently, but he is more ready than basically all of them.
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nychoops
Junior
Posts: 242
Reg: 11-23-04
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07-20-17 10:45 AM - Post#231107
In response to mrjames
From what I heard this week Harvard perhaps has a shot but I would think ND, Wisco, UVA
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20Penn14
Senior
Posts: 364
Reg: 02-26-12
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07-22-17 11:03 AM - Post#231172
In response to nychoops
From COBL:
http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s...
Mezie Offurum is in contact with Penn
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-22-17 06:26 PM - Post#231178
In response to 20Penn14
Per St Joe's board, Yale has offered Matt Cotton now: http://www.scout.com/college/saint-josephs /forums/...
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rbg
Postdoc
Posts: 3052
Reg: 10-20-14
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07-24-17 09:09 PM - Post#231215
In response to Mike Porter
Princeton just received a 2018 commitment from PG Jaelin Llewellyn (4 Stars). He had many offers including Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Virginia, Florida, Creighton, Providence, URI, Cincinnati, Stanford, and Harvard.
Looking at the 2018 commits throughout the league:
Jaelin Llewellyn PG (4 Stars) - Princeton
Spencer Freeman PG (4 Stars) - Harvard
Taurus Samuels PG (3 Stars) - Dartmouth
Eze Dike-Nwagbara PG (2 Stars) - Yale
David Mitchell SG (2 Stars) - Brown
With the improvement in league-wide recruiting, it would be good if Penn could seal the deal with one of the 11 players they have given offers.
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pennhoops
Postdoc
Posts: 2470
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-26-17 12:25 PM - Post#231313
In response to rbg
From VC:
Rasir Bolton committed to Penn State
Penn offered Quinn Blair, 2* SF from Detroit, mostly mid, lowmid offers.
There are still a couple of top-100 types on the list (hey, Matt Cotton) and a few names that have yet to emerge but the trend so far this summer, at least in terms of the offers known publicly, seems to be down.
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section110
Masters Student
Posts: 847
Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
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07-26-17 04:42 PM - Post#231326
In response to pennhoops
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class.
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Glenflesk
Freshman
Posts: 67
Loc: Subr Phila
Reg: 11-20-08
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07-26-17 05:21 PM - Post#231328
In response to section110
Unless the 4-6 are better than 10 of the ones we already have.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts: 3775
Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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07-26-17 06:06 PM - Post#231330
In response to section110
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class.
If the staff is able to nail down some three or four star recruits, I agree with that statement. However, if they're only able to bring in two star recruits, they might need 4-6 of them in order to yield 1-2 impact players.
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TheLine
Professor
Posts: 5597
Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
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07-26-17 06:32 PM - Post#231331
In response to Silver Maple
This is the first time in I don't know how long when Penn's roster is stocked with legitimately useful players vs. filler material. We obviously don't know enough about the incoming Freshmen or even a couple of the Sophs-to-be but you can make a reasonable argument that pretty much all of the returnees have the potential of making an impact (not saying that all ultimately will). That's progress though we're still not where we need to be and there's room for recruiting impact players.
There are 5 seniors on the team. There's definitely room for a few talented recruits.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1899
Reg: 11-29-04
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07-26-17 11:32 PM - Post#231335
In response to TheLine
While the team is more solid, it is partly because of the depths the team is coming from. I think a team needs two all-league type of players to be a true contender.
AJ Brodeur is the only Penn player that may fit that bill right now. I like Betley, Goodman, and Woods a lot, but I don't think they are all-Ivy dominant players. I'm hoping that some of the Frosh will provide this.
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gopenngo
Masters Student
Posts: 487
Reg: 01-30-06
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07-26-17 11:45 PM - Post#231336
In response to Penndemonium
You're right. We don't have a go-to, end-of-game player (like Rosen). If we're hoping for one of the frosh to step up, we're far away from the Promised Land.
I mean, this past season SD was using Foreman in the Rosen role. This team is still full of mis-matched parts.
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pennhoops
Postdoc
Posts: 2470
Reg: 11-21-04
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2018 recruiting
07-27-17 08:38 AM - Post#231342
In response to section110
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class.
This class will undoubtedly be smaller than last but there is still a rising quality of recruit league-wide that we need to keep up with. Whether or not we do that is still in question.
Edited by pennhoops on 07-27-17 08:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts: 4466
Reg: 11-22-04
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07-28-17 11:25 AM - Post#231375
In response to pennhoops
everything pennhoops says is true. but i'm less worried than last year. he brought in some legit talents, he did it a little later than i thought he would. i get it, not only does he have to do it each year, he has to raise his game further than last year. on a consistent basis.
I'm just not as freaked out about it. Now, if Betley isn't as good as I thought he could be this year or if none of the freshmen start by season end, then i'll be pretty worried regardless of the hype/lack thereof for 2018 class.
PLEASE, GOD, LET JARROD AND AJ START IN THE FRONTCOURT FOR THREE YEARS!
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-28-17 05:22 PM - Post#231392
In response to Jeff2sf
As I said last year, I think it will be more difficult for Penn in 2018 and beyond as the AI floor is now at 183, trimming a decent portion of the pool that used to exist where Penn could take multiple kids and HYP could take, at most, one. I'm sure the coaching staff will adjust, but it's worth watching.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1899
Reg: 11-29-04
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07-29-17 01:10 AM - Post#231397
In response to mrjames
mrjames, can you refresh me on a few things regarding the AI...
Was the AI floor raised for the whole league? Was it raised proportionately for the different schools or more for some than others?
Also, who makes the decision? Is it 1 vote per school and majority wins?
I am not asking to immediately complain about the answers. I was just wondering.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-29-17 07:53 AM - Post#231398
In response to Penndemonium
Whole league across the board from 178 to 183. I have no clue how it affects the football banding...
I believe it's a presidents decision, but I don't know the ins and outs of that piece of it. I just hear about it happening, not the how.
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pennhoops
Postdoc
Posts: 2470
Reg: 11-21-04
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07-29-17 09:35 AM - Post#231399
In response to mrjames
As I said last year, I think it will be more difficult for Penn in 2018 and beyond as the AI floor is now at 183, trimming a decent portion of the pool that used to exist where Penn could take multiple kids and HYP could take, at most, one. I'm sure the coaching staff will adjust, but it's worth watching.
But HYP have already demonstrated there are 3+* kids out there comfortably above the floor. Penn did need to dip a little bit in the last two seasons but it isn't as though it's 178 or bust.
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PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts: 3585
Reg: 02-15-15
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2018 recruiting
07-29-17 12:33 PM - Post#231401
In response to pennhoops
To quantify this (approximately) as I understand it. Moving the AI floor from 178 to 183 means a given recruit needs 1 more point on the ACT than previously OR about .25 higher on their GPA (on a 4pt scale).
It's probably a lot easier to move an ACT score 1 pt higher than it is to move your GPA up .25 (e.g. from 3.1 to 3.3). For SA's near the floor that's more challenging but not impossible.
Edited by PennFan10 on 07-29-17 12:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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