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HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
Posts: 876

Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
07-29-17 12:42 PM - Post#231402    
    In response to PennFan10

It's a big deal if a recruit worked hard to barely get to 178 (or thereabouts) in the first place.

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2226
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
07-29-17 04:22 PM - Post#231403    
    In response to PennFan10

Definitely a good flag from Mike as I'd forgotten about that.

I like that Jeff isn't concerned. There is still a lot of time, but clearly Harvard and Princeton are off to a good start. Would be nice if we can land one of our primary targets early too. Seems like our best hope is Matt Cotton.

What is more concerning is that all the new offers for 2018 seem to be lower level 2* guys...

I'm not worried yet, but let's see where things are by end of the summer.

 
Penndemonium 
Masters Student
Posts: 594

Reg: 11-29-04
07-30-17 06:00 AM - Post#231405    
    In response to Mike Porter

I understand the Ivy concerns about academics, but it's sad that a person is reduced to such numbers. I think Jerome had problems with his test scores and had to re-take. Everything I heard was that he worked hard at the books. I had some team-mates in a similar situation who wound up to be solid students. You can't measure fire in the belly through AI, but you can discriminate against minorities, economically disadvantaged, and foreigners. Congrats to the Ivy Presidents on that.

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4901

Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
07-30-17 07:07 AM - Post#231406    
    In response to Penndemonium

Bingo. The AI is a silly construct given all we know about test scores and given how GPAs differ across schools, but luckily (or unluckily for us sports fans) many institutions are going above and beyond to keep kids out who are indeed AI qualified. (The opposite - taking kids under the bar who demonstrate they genuinely care about learning and the Ivy experience - would be nice as a balance, but alas...).

The good news is that, with the incentive structure of FinAid, Ivies are working hard to get the demographics that are often discriminated against in the testing process across the bar, because the ability to provide a quasi-full-ride makes matriculation more likely. Whereas the richer folks among us can get their kids tons of test prep classes to artificially raise their scores, but then are less likely to commit because they'd have to pay full.

 
section110 
Masters Student
Posts: 731

Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
07-30-17 09:37 AM - Post#231407    
    In response to mrjames

Amen

 
penn nation 
Professor
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Reg: 12-02-04
07-30-17 11:29 AM - Post#231408    
    In response to mrjames

Legacy admissions, and/or uberwealthy folks donating a ton of $$ so that their kid can get accepted to an elite school, perpetuate the structural inequity.

  • mrjames Said:
Bingo. The AI is a silly construct given all we know about test scores and given how GPAs differ across schools, but luckily (or unluckily for us sports fans) many institutions are going above and beyond to keep kids out who are indeed AI qualified. (The opposite - taking kids under the bar who demonstrate they genuinely care about learning and the Ivy experience - would be nice as a balance, but alas...).

The good news is that, with the incentive structure of FinAid, Ivies are working hard to get the demographics that are often discriminated against in the testing process across the bar, because the ability to provide a quasi-full-ride makes matriculation more likely. Whereas the richer folks among us can get their kids tons of test prep classes to artificially raise their scores, but then are less likely to commit because they'd have to pay full.




 
20Penn14 
Junior
Posts: 265

Reg: 02-26-12
07-30-17 07:27 PM - Post#231411    
    In response to penn nation

According to COBL, Penn has interest in:

Ian Robertson, a 6-6, 205-pound wing forward
http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s...

Kenny Jones, 6-1 PG
http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s...

 
pennhoops 
Postdoc
Posts: 2416

Reg: 11-21-04
07-30-17 07:54 PM - Post#231412    
    In response to 20Penn14

Another 4*, Jake Forrester, is no longer considering Penn (via VC).

 
besnoah 
Masters Student
Posts: 595

Reg: 12-14-05
07-31-17 02:01 PM - Post#231431    
    In response to pennhoops

I am a little surprised this didn't happen sooner.

JerseyShoreWarriors‏
Univ of Penn offers Drew Friberg

 
pennhoops 
Postdoc
Posts: 2416

Reg: 11-21-04
08-04-17 11:21 AM - Post#231633    
    In response to besnoah

From VC, Penn has offered Aaron Nesmith, 6-5 SF from Charleston, SC.

https://verbalcommits.com/players/aaron-nesmith

2* but most of recent his gazillion or so offers are from HMs so I'd expect that figure to rise. Most of the Ivies have also offered.

 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 528

Reg: 10-20-14
08-04-17 12:48 PM - Post#231634    
    In response to pennhoops

VC lists him as a SF, but he sees himself as a wing.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/univer sity-...

http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gators-basket b...

He will be visiting Vaderbilt this weekend and then expects to cut his list down to 6 a few days later. Then, he will make his decision in November.

http://www.goupstate.com/sports/20170803/music -cit...

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2226
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
08-08-17 11:26 PM - Post#231705    
    In response to rbg

Matt Cotton took unofficial visit to Harvard earlier this week. So with Yale offer too, seems like we've got a lot of Ivy competition here (though we definitely have been talking to him the longest).

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2226
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
08-13-17 01:07 PM - Post#231916    
    In response to Mike Porter

Not sure how hard we were recruiting him (since we offered late even though I'm sure staff saw a lot of him), but Jelani Williams high school teammate Saddiq Bey trimmed his list to 6 and Penn didn't make it. Only Ivy school is Princeton (lots of higher level schools like Miami remain).

 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 528

Reg: 10-20-14
08-14-17 07:30 AM - Post#231937    
    In response to rbg

Aaron Nesmith has trimmed his list to seven and Penn did not make the cut.

He is still looking at Harvard, Yale, Florida, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Georgetown and Virginia Tech.

 
pennhoops 
Postdoc
Posts: 2416

Reg: 11-21-04
08-14-17 11:21 AM - Post#231967    
    In response to rbg

Our list is becoming a two-star parade in a hurry. Matt Cotton or bust.

 
Jeff2sf 
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Posts: 3560

Reg: 11-22-04
08-15-17 08:03 AM - Post#232005    
    In response to pennhoops

this is fine

this is fine


this is fine


 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2226
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
08-15-17 06:00 PM - Post#232038    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Yeah a little concerning we aren't getting in final lists at least. I'm going to assume your convincing yourself Jeff? Serenity now?!

 
pennhoops 
Postdoc
Posts: 2416

Reg: 11-21-04
08-15-17 07:56 PM - Post#232042    
    In response to Mike Porter

Michael Wang, 6-9, Mater Dei. Not the dude who sued over supposedly discriminatory admissions practices.

 
Jeff2sf 
Postdoc
Posts: 3560

Reg: 11-22-04
08-15-17 08:58 PM - Post#232043    
    In response to pennhoops

serenity now, insanity later.

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2226
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
08-15-17 10:10 PM - Post#232044    
    In response to pennhoops

Hey pennhoops - are you saying we are in final group for Michael Wang? I don't see much about his offers online.

 
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