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GoBigGreenBasketball 
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01-02-17 12:25 PM - Post#217181    

IHO places the Big Green at 7th in their Power Rankings after a strong December showing. Here's what they had to say:

7. Dartmouth (3-9)

How quickly seasons can turn. A 0-9 start has given way to a three-game win streak, including a solid (and thrilling) 63-62 upset of New Hampshire at Leede Arena on New Year’s Eve. In the UNH win, Dartmouth continued to enjoy significant contributions from sophomore guard Guilien Smith and Evan Boudreaux posted another double-double. But it’s been Dartmouth’s defense making the difference lately, and points figure to come at quite a premium in Saturday’s Dartmouth-Harvard matchup.


Read more about IHO's take on the Big Green here:

Don't look now, but Dartmouth has won three in a row.
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Re: Quick Take from Ivy Hoops Online
01-02-17 12:57 PM - Post#217186    
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  • GoBigGreenBasketball Said:
IHO places the Big Green at 7th in their Power Rankings after a strong December showing.



Yay!

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01-02-17 02:26 PM - Post#217190    
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LOL....well you can't go 0-9 to the top of the standings on 3 wins. I'll take a don't buy rating versus a Sell, Sell, Sell!!!
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01-03-17 01:27 PM - Post#217247    
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Dartmouth is a top 4 in Ivy team. Every bit as good as Penn and Columbia, if not better. Better than Brown and Cornell. We should accept nothing less. This was the case when they were 0-9 and it's the case now with them 3-9. The difference is that now they are playing smarter and much closer to their potential. The freshman are coming on too. There will be more ups and downs throughout the season, but I believe we are out of the danger zone. We will have to weather some more storms to stay out of the danger zone, and continue moving away from it, but they've shown they have the fortitude to do so. Also, Wes Dickinson.

This is a great year for Dartmouth (and Penn) because of all the injuries to teams above them. Palestra or bust! And with all the injuries to others, we can win this league tournament.

An interesting observation is that they haven't been overly reliant on Boudreaux during this win streak (and I think they've slowed things down). In fact, as Boudreaux has struggled the team has done thrived, whereas thru the first 9 games it was the opposite. I doubt there is a direct correlation, and we obviously need Evan to continue being Evan, but I'm tracking this.

 
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01-03-17 01:38 PM - Post#217248    
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P.S. Holy cow. Checking in after a long hiatus from posting and I just have to say: Let's remember the season is a marathon, the program is a living organism that will go through good and bad changes. McLaughlin is doing better now; but he still needs time to continue improving and getting us back to our trajectory. After the Maine game people were calling for his head! That is crazy (even if they hadn't won their last 3)! I recommend deep breaths before posting after wins and losses.

 
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01-03-17 07:50 PM - Post#217282    
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I recommend deep breaths before posting after wins and losses.



Starting the season with nine losses would try even a Jedi's patience.

 
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01-05-17 09:20 PM - Post#217409    
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Also, Wes Dickinson.




I know you're a big Wes fan. Wes has been SOLID, but Carter is the future. Much like the first time I saw Barry play for the Big Green, I could tell Carter was a player! On a per 40/100 Carter leads Wes and Ike in blocks, steals, and 2pt percentage. Wes is better from 3. But it's clear to me that Carter is more skilled than either. The rebound differential (1.1 & 1.2 respectively per game) is negligible between Wes 2.2, Ike 2.3, and Carter 1.1.

Carter gets lost at times on defense. That's probably why we don't see him much, but he is a freshman. The only way to remedy that is to play through it and coach'em up.
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01-09-17 10:44 AM - Post#217798    
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Yes, I'm a fan of Wes, but also a big fan of Ian. I think they are different types. I think Wes offers the rim protection we need and defense. He delivers easy buckets around the rim and is hitting his FTs. I agree that Ian is part of our bright future, but I maintain that the future is NOW. We should be 7-7 at a minimum and top 4 Ivy. I don't fault the coach, but can't stand the unnecessary drop. We should be competitive with Harvard, as they are just as young as us, and we'd beaten them 2 out of the last 3 prior to Saturday. We are playing better, but we haven fallen way back from where we left off. There were no "cakewalks" for opponents coming in to Leede. I think Ian might be a better replacement for Ike than Wes. Why is Evan only shooting 36% and averaging less than 1 assist per game? Why is his FT% also down 10%. Somehow we need to make life easier for him. As great as he has been, all his numbers (including Ppg and Rpg) are down except for TOs, FGA, and 3 pt % and 3PA.

 
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01-09-17 01:23 PM - Post#217817    
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I agree that the future is now. I offer the Dartmouth/Harvard game as evidence. They beat us with young talent that got lots of PT in the non conference. I think it took us too long to get talent like Barry going. Improvement is a gradual thing, that said the differential between where he was when he got to campus to where he is now cannot be that great skill wise. Pedigree aside, I would argue that he should have been taking his lumps right out the gate with more PT, versus other turnover prone point guards. Emery has shown an aggressiveness that needed to be nurtured/tested on the floor against nonconference competition more frequently. It feels like we're behind on the development front. Young talent needs reps. Again I throw Harvard out as an example. Endowsans<sp> minutes are down, he and Chambers were projected to be the top players on that team, but clearly from our matchup and season stats that has not been the case. Amaker beat us with his young guys. The bench scoring differential was 30 to 18 with Barry (12pts) and Sistare (6pts).

As far as Evan goes he's being forced to shoulder the burden, and he's doing a yeoman's job. However, there is only so much one guy can do. You can see his frustration building. I suspect that has a lot to do with his performance. I though he made a great adjustment in the last game moving to the outside and going 3 for 6 from deep. To ask him to do more is unrealistic. Someone else has to step up in the front court. Outside of his rebounding neither Wes, Emery, Ike, or Ian are providing much help. In the Harvard game we were swatting at the ball instead of trying to grab it with two hands. That's not going to get it done. When Evan is matched up with another high caliber big our other guys have to rebound! I think that is where Emery should have been developed. The coach said something I totally agree with after the RI game, that was that they can't simulate size and athleticism in practice, so the only place that guys like Emery can get realistic reps are in games. Evans numbers are going to decline because he doesn't have Connor playing alongside of him. The fact that he still manages to get a double-double with the defenses keying on him is incredible.

Coming back to the win now idea. If you look at the increase in production over the previous year's performance for the front court seniors, I struggle make a case for win now. The individual improvement you should see from seniors with increased PT just isn't there. If their all around production were up year over year like Guilien then yes feed them minutes. If it's not, you have to develop guys like Emery quick, because these seniors are gone while Harvard just gets more experienced. Here's the year over year historics:

Wes

Ike

Guilien

To illustrate the point look at the data below. For For 40/100 minutes sort on points. In terms of defensive stats sort on blocks, steals, and rebounds. Then compare Emery, Wes, Ian, and Ike, and keep in mind their class, actual minutes played, total games played, and D1 experience.

Dartmouth Stats

We've got enough games in the books now and the numbers just don't make a compelling case for win now with our current roster and rotation. The Harvard game hammers point that home convincingly.
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01-09-17 01:47 PM - Post#217819    
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This thread is raising some very interesting points in the advent of the Ivy tournament era. Seems a young team on the bubble to reach the Ivy tournament should use the OOC to play freshmen and determine the best approach to the Ivy Season with the goal being to secure a spot in the top 4. The sacrifice could be giving up on a .500 record and a spot in the CIT, but I would think such an invite to be unlikely if a team didn't qualify for its own postseason league tournament anyway.

A team like Harvard, which is likely feeling somewhat secure about making the Ivy tournament, elected to heavily rely on freshmen OOC and Amaker reiterated this weekend that he is still intentionally trying to play 12 or so players each game. The sacrifice was the distant chance for an at large NCAA bid. As we saw Saturday, don't be surprised to see Harvard continue to shuffle its roster knowing that with confidence in reaching the tournament that final weekend is really the only time to 'maximize.' Zena starting vs Dartmouth was an anomaly, likely for the purpose of having Zena guard Bourdreax. Zena has only started in 6 games and only played 11 minutes Saturday night.

Entering the season, I though Dartmouth could compete with Penn. Penn added two junior transfers on Brodeur, a high usage freshman. Dartmouth has been reluctant to use its freshmen. If you're going to start 0-9, why not experiment?



 
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01-09-17 03:02 PM - Post#217831    
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I think Amaker has just adjusted to the new format quicker. OOC games are still crucial but do provide a lab to experiment with lineups and minutes. I'm sure at no point was Harvard not concerned about having a winning record. That Zena's mins are less suggest there's more of a meritocracy.

The numbers are the numbers. Talent is talent. That's the way it is at high majors, if you can't play you don't. That is why there is such a high number of transfers.

In Dartmouth's case, as the coach has said, he's not an expert on his team. But I will agree with you the rotations early in the non conference games just didn't vary enough to get a broader picture. In his defense he did play his freshman during the UNH game to much success, but then he pulled way back from that with Harvard game. Perplexing.

Harvard is playing a different game. They are trying to play and recruit on a different level. They are aggressively trying to steal High Major recruits from the big boys. Princeton is doing the same by hiring Kittles. Yale's success will help them, they are another team that has allowed talented freshman to lead them with Bruner and Oni. Columbia's attempting to get there with their noticeably increased media presence and Tape has become seen more PT as the season has progressed.

I think the #2bidivy was lost pretty soon after Princeton and Yale lost key pieces. I don't believe had Harvard played a more seasoned lineup that they would have secured the second bid for the league. If they did they'd be in the same place as Dartmouth.

There is no substitute for experience and Amaker has made sure his young guys are getting it where it counts, on the floor in games. Kudos. I don't foresee Amaker changing his rotation to much, especially if he can get everyone minutes, everyone produces like they did in the Dartmouth Harvard tilt, and they can continue to win. Why change what's working. Conversely if it ain't working why keep doing it.

In this #PathToThePalestra era I will give you it is slightly more important to play for those top four spots, but not at all costs. I don't think that you have to sacrifice the OOC to do it. As an aside, where last year was the season of the Senior in the NCAAM this year is clearly the year of the Freshman. This is going to be one of the best freshman classes across the NCAA in recent years, Ivy league included.
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01-09-17 04:07 PM - Post#217841    
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Ivy League
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Rank Player
1 Steven Cook, Princeton (Sr)
2 AJ Brodeur, Penn (Fr)
3 Spencer Weisz, Princeton (Sr)
4 Bryce Aiken, Harvard (Fr)
5 Devin Cannady, Princeton (So)

40% OF KP's top players are Freshman and 60% are underclassmen. The ROY race should be interesting. Hopefully Brendan "buckets" Barry gives Dartmouth a shot a third ROY honor.
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01-09-17 05:07 PM - Post#217851    
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  • GoBigGreenBasketball Said:
I agree that the future is now. I offer the Dartmouth/Harvard game as evidence. They beat us with young talent that got lots of PT in the non conference. I think it took us too long to get talent like Barry going. Improvement is a gradual thing, that said the differential between where he was when he got to campus to where he is now cannot be that great skill wise. Pedigree aside, I would argue that he should have been taking his lumps right out the gate with more PT, versus other turnover prone point guards. Emery has shown an aggressiveness that needed to be nurtured/tested on the floor against nonconference competition more frequently. It feels like we're behind on the development front. Young talent needs reps. Again I throw Harvard out as an example. Endowsans<sp> minutes are down, he and Chambers were projected to be the top players on that team, but clearly from our matchup and season stats that has not been the case. Amaker beat us with his young guys. The bench scoring differential was 30 to 18 with Barry (12pts) and Sistare (6pts).

As far as Evan goes he's being forced to shoulder the burden, and he's doing a yeoman's job. However, there is only so much one guy can do. You can see his frustration building. I suspect that has a lot to do with his performance. I though he made a great adjustment in the last game moving to the outside and going 3 for 6 from deep. To ask him to do more is unrealistic. Someone else has to step up in the front court. Outside of his rebounding neither Wes, Emery, Ike, or Ian are providing much help. In the Harvard game we were swatting at the ball instead of trying to grab it with two hands. That's not going to get it done. When Evan is matched up with another high caliber big our other guys have to rebound! I think that is where Emery should have been developed. The coach said something I totally agree with after the RI game, that was that they can't simulate size and athleticism in practice, so the only place that guys like Emery can get realistic reps are in games. Evans numbers are going to decline because he doesn't have Connor playing alongside of him. The fact that he still manages to get a double-double with the defenses keying on him is incredible.

Coming back to the win now idea. If you look at the increase in production over the previous year's performance for the front court seniors, I struggle make a case for win now. The individual improvement you should see from seniors with increased PT just isn't there. If their all around production were up year over year like Guilien then yes feed them minutes. If it's not, you have to develop guys like Emery quick, because these seniors are gone while Harvard just gets more experienced. Here's the year over year historics:

Wes

Ike

Guilien

To illustrate the point look at the data below. For For 40/100 minutes sort on points. In terms of defensive stats sort on blocks, steals, and rebounds. Then compare Emery, Wes, Ian, and Ike, and keep in mind their class, actual minutes played, total games played, and D1 experience.

Dartmouth Stats

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We've got enough games in the books now and the numbers just don't make a compelling case for win now with our current roster and rotation. The Harvard game hammers point that home convincingly.








 
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01-09-17 05:16 PM - Post#217854    
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Agree to disagree.

I don't think there is ever a case for NOT winning now.

Every time the ball goes up it has to be "win now." Even though We started 0-9--worst start since LBJ--it has to remain "win now" (after all we have the wherewithal to win now) and if we lose that mentality there is a major problem.

Who are we to say "nah, let's just throw the youngins in."? Absolutely not. We had clawed our way to relevance and we cannot give up any more ground. We need every single W we can scrounge up.

Programs, coaches, teams, and individual players develop by collectively doing everything in their power to win games together. Wins provide more momentum and growth than anything else. And freshman develop in practice too. I'm glad Coach Mac is at least trying to win! And I think he has done a good job of gradually working in the youngins, and making them earn it. This avoids entitlement down the road and I think thoughtfully, gradually working in the fresh as they earn it in practice and games is better for them than just getting tossed in.

When did Coach Mac say he was not an expert on this team by the way? Yikes!

 
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01-09-17 05:39 PM - Post#217857    
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I think maybe I was misunderstood or I wasn't clear. Winning is paramount. Obviously an 0-9 start was unacceptable to me, see any of my earlier posts. I think this team has underperformed given the returning talent.

Plainly stated outside of Evan, our senior front court players haven't made a significant enough leap year over year. It is an undeniable fact that none of our returning frontcourt players stepped up and filled Connor's production.

I want these guys to win and make it to the Palestra. Especially the seniors. They've given four years to the program, it would be nice for them to go out with that experience and possibly more.

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Edited by GoBigGreenBasketball on 01-09-17 06:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-09-17 07:39 PM - Post#217867    
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  • hoopla Said:

When did Coach Mac say he was not an expert on this team by the way? Yikes!



Thank you for calling me out on that. In hindsight that was not a totally fair statement. It is true, it was said; however, it was during the preseason conference call.

Here

I think more recently he may have said the team was still working at becoming experts on each other.
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01-09-17 11:07 PM - Post#217891    
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  • GoBigGreenBasketball Said:
  • hoopla Said:

When did Coach Mac say he was not an expert on this team by the way? Yikes!



Thank you for calling me out on that. In hindsight that was not a totally fair statement. It is true, it was said; however, it was during the preseason conference call.

Here

I think more recently he may have said the team was still working at becoming experts on each other.




“I think we just have to be a better job of becoming experts on each other. On the defensive end, we’re learning how to get stops more consistently and preventing teams from getting easy looks, and that’s how you win late in games,” McLaughlin said. “That’s a growth for any team, and we’re learning from every situation we are in.”
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01-10-17 02:44 PM - Post#217915    
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Of course it takes time to intimately learn about each guy, but I I suspect/hope that Sheehy asked Coach Mac for ideas and a vision incorporating thoughts and a vision for existing and incoming personnel, not just Coach Mac's general philosophy. Anything less would be pretty "D3" of us, and we do have a career D3 guy at the helm of the dept so who knows.

Anyway, while the Ws remain scarce, it does look like we're improving. And you are right about Barry. What a great pickup for Dartmouth. He's smooth like Brian Barbour from Columbia a few years back but shoots it even better, like Grant Mullins.


 
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01-10-17 02:52 PM - Post#217916    
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In a perfect world there would have been some type of transition team with information gathering on the existing players and recruits. But given the tenor of the media coverage of the change I doubt anything like that took place. That might have smoothed the transition. Something like that would have been in the best interest of the program and players.

However, there is no indication that there is any friction within the program which is wonderful. They seem to be buying into the process and competing. I just hope they reach expert level understanding of each other quickly.
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01-10-17 04:39 PM - Post#217925    
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I also hope they reach an expert level understanding of each other. Perhaps Coach Mac can help them with this understanding of each other and with role clarity. I am glad there is no indication of friction despite the record, and I hope the lack of friction results in the strong Ivy season (top 4 at least) that they should have. After the worst start in 50 years, they are getting better. In addition to Coach Mac being a great guy, I believe the freshman class has played a huge role in team spirit. They all seem like great kids and inspired. Go Green!

 
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01-10-17 05:30 PM - Post#217933    
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So, I'm looking at the Hollinger Ivy League PER at http://insider.espn.com/ncb/hollinger/statist ics/_...

Our top guy is Brendan Barry at #13 overall in the Ivy. That's impressive! After that it goes Evan at 18, Guilien at 26, Wes at 30, Miles at 44. Shouldn't those be our starters? Mike F is doing his best, but he's not even in the top 60 on the PER. We need points and production. The PER is a pretty good indicator of a player's offensive and defensive contributions to a team's success. I'm not sure if the coaches look at these numbers, but I hope they do. The more Barry is out there, the better the team runs and produces. Sistare as well. Let's get this team winning coaches!

 
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01-10-17 07:32 PM - Post#217945    
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I think that is a good benchmark. Barry's numbers definitely make the case. Fleming is solid, steady, and there something to be said for senior leadership. But, he's not a scoring point guard but he is a good facilitator and does a good job of taking care of the ball. There's a case for his minutes, but Barry is coming on strong. Outside of that non statistical metric, I could see allocating starter minutes based on PER.
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01-10-17 07:41 PM - Post#217947    
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We need wins. Let's mix up the rotation a bit to try it. Against Harvard we're on a roll and up 16-10, but the coaches take 3 of the 5 guys out who got us to that point. Doesn't make sense.

 
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01-10-17 09:40 PM - Post#217957    
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We get another crack at Harvard. It will be interesting to see what, if any adjustments we make. Harvard just ground us down, particularly our star Evan. We kinda helped them by playing Evan basically the whole game. We need a big game from someone away from Evan if we're going to win. That pretty much narrows it down to Guilien or Miles. Those are the only other players who are permitted that many touches. Maybe if Barry heats up from deep he might get the green light.

The FGA data to date say Evan, Miles, and Guilien are going to take 59% of the attempts. That's 34 of our 57.8 attempts per game. So they need to be on or someone else has to breakout. Our restricted offensive depth hurts because Evan is subject to double teams. Evans buckets are all hard won.

Teams basically know where we're going. We are playing through Evan. Conversely, Harvard rolled out the whole team and got production from everyone who touched the floor. Their attempts are way less concentrated. They also shoot a higher percentage. So, to win we have to be better defensively for the entire game. Although our defense has improved it's not of that caliber. They are going to go at Evan again and wear him down. So it'll be interesting how we scheme against that or mix it up as you said.



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01-12-17 02:57 PM - Post#218099    
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Here's another great stats database to delve into.

Emery & Carter lead the team in percentage completion at the rim at 75.0% and 85.7% respectively. Ian Sistare is right there too at 72.7%. Getting easy buckets at the rim is good but better when you can finish at a high rate.

Hoop Math - Dartmouth
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01-13-17 03:40 PM - Post#218180    
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Are we really playing THROUGH Evan?

Stats seem to indicate that the ball stops at Evan and he ends up using the possession... Less than 1 assist

Stats would indicate that the only time we are playing through him is when we get an O board off a Boudreaux miss

I think we should find a way to play through him and coaches might need to work with him on this, but not sure this fine concept is actually happening

 
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01-14-17 04:09 PM - Post#218279    
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You're right the numbers don't lie. This wouldn't be the first time in the history of sport where the coach says one thing and does another. I think they would like to play through Evan, but they default to having him get buckets. Of the three games we've won, Evan has been the leading scorer in one. That game was won by the slimmest margin, 1pt. When they know where you're going to go it makes it easy to scheme against you.

If you read Amaker's post game comments he was very clear on the strategy. If you ever read any of the pre game notes for the opposing teams it's clear they key in on Evan.
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Edited by GoBigGreenBasketball on 01-14-17 04:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-15-17 08:53 AM - Post#218373    
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Nice to be back after a little hiatus and see nothing has changed :). We've come a long way from the sky is falling, fire the coach times and after spending time with the team over winterim I think everyone has fully bought into the system (as someone mentioned ^). Lots to cover below:

To kick this off with a bang, and I hate to say it, but you cant realistically expect this team to make the 4 game playoff. I don't think there was any indication that they should have been top 4 this season ( I had them pegged at 5th coming in), especially with a new coach and almost no upperclassmen production. Now as we enter Ivy Play- it should be about developing players (also playing the best players, but I also think they are the freshman).

As for the strategy now. McLaughlin has them playing through Boudreaux. (and continues to state that it is the goal). Like it or not, possessions run through him and rightfully so.


- The picking on the assists number doesnt seem like a great metric as the team is averaging 10 assists per game (8th in the league) and having watched film on them, most of them result in that second pass out of a Boudreaux double-team. He needs to get better at anticipating those situations, but I'd argue that his court vision and passing is way better this year, we just dont seem to take or make those shots.

-Playing through him, like you said, is also contributing to a decline in his numbers. He spends 70% of possessions just rotating around the 3 point line, setting ball screens. I don't think this is his game.

-My god I need another post player. Can we just find some 6'10 kid and have him stand inside?

-I don't have any empirical evidence, but it feels like this team takes bad shots, at bad times in the possession. Would love to see statistics on this.

These are my assorted musings, playing on some knowledge of the team. My apologies if they seem disjointed- having an early Sunday morning.

TLDR:
-Play the freshman, good things will happen. Barry is the man.
-We probably arent making the tourny, but it's still a long season ahead
-Boudreaux's regression is to be expected, especially since he is Atlas-ing the team.
-We need a center, Boudreaux is more like a 3 playing out of position
-Take better shots, our offense is tough to watch
-Also glad to see Hollingers PER getting some love

 
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01-15-17 10:07 AM - Post#218383    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

  • SomeDartmouthStudent Said:
especially with a new coach and almost no upperclassmen production. Now as we enter Ivy Play- it should be about developing players (also playing the best players, but I also think they are the freshman).




Do you really believe the freshman are the best players and why? And if the freshman are the best players why hasn't Coach been playing them like they're the best players, especially when that's what his competition has been playing?
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GoBigGreenBasketball 
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01-15-17 10:58 PM - Post#218451    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

How many made dunk do we have this year?

I found an interesting stat on %made baskets at the rim coming in transition:

Johnson: 55.6%
Wright: 36.7%
Carter: 33.3%
Smith: 29.2%
Sistare: 25.0%
Barry: 20.0%

Boudreaux: 14.3%
Dickinson: 5.6%
Fleming: 0.0%
Ngwudo: 0.0%
Emery: 0.0%


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SomeDartmouthStudent 
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01-16-17 08:34 AM - Post#218467    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

I don't have access to stats right now since I'm traveling, but from just watching? I think the freshman want it more.

I think Barry and Sistare (off the bench) are the best guard options right now, and I dont see a reason not to start Emery at the 5. It is not like we are going to get less production than what we have.

For my optimal starting 5 perspective with rationals for each (unsupported by stats at this moment):

Barry- Heady PG that has shown to have great passing ability. Seems to take care of the ball pretty well and starting to become more vocal.

Smith- Talented slasher, but not a PG. Would be served better off the ball as he doesnt tend to make great passes. Not optimal for bringing ball up the court, gets pocket picked a decent amount.

Boudreaux- Boudreaux at the 3 is my dream. I feel like it is his natural position and will allow him to get better looks offensively. He shouldnt have be banging up against 6"9, 6"10 kids every game.

Dickinson-Solid defensive presence, improving post moves. I'd argue that he is pretty interchangable with Ike, and Carter. Could be at the 4, or 5 depending on the matchip.

Emery- Big, getting more aggressive. Ability to stretch the floor more than you would imagine. Emery should be starting at the 4 or 5 and I see no reason why not.

and finally, Miles as a supersub. IMO Miles is too inconsistent offensively and defensively (especially defensively) to start.



 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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Quick Take from Ivy Hoops Online
01-16-17 12:05 PM - Post#218476    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

I like Boudreaux at the 4. He's just not quick enough to play small forward. His skill set is all power forward with a little stretch because of his ability to shoot the 3 ball. I like Emery at the 5 and Wright at the 3 with Carter backing him up. Barry "buckets" at the 1 with Sistare/Fleming backing him up and Smith at the 2.

Your small forward has got to be able to get out in transition. I posted the transition stats earlier and what it clearly shows is that your not going to get transition baskets out of Ike, Wes, or Evan. Wright, G.Smith, Johnson, and Carter are the only ones I've seen play this year that can naturally play the 3.

Here's how I see our team:

Sistare & Fleming are strictly 1s. Barry is a 1/2. G.Smith is a 2-3. C.Smith is a 2. Johnson is 3-2 (HE-IS-NOT-A-PG). Wright is a 3-2. Carter is a 3-4. Evan is a 4-5. Emery is a 5-4, Wes is a 5/4. Ike is a 5. I haven't seen enough of the other guys to have a feel for where they go.

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Edited by GoBigGreenBasketball on 01-16-17 12:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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Re: Quick Take from Ivy Hoops Online
01-17-17 12:57 AM - Post#218560    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

I'd have to completely disagree on one point. I think Boudreaux is a 3/4 and in no world should he be a 5. We are just forcing him to play there. If you remember his freshman year, he was plenty fast to get down in transition/drive on opposing players. We just dont use him that way anymore. Transition stats arent telling because Boudreaux (and the rest of those guys actually) are the ones fighting for the boards, not leaking out in transition. For a team that doesnt really push the pace anyway, I dont think its a realistic metric.


As for everyone else, I think youre spot on.

Edited by SomeDartmouthStudent on 01-17-17 12:58 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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Re: Quick Take from Ivy Hoops Online
01-17-17 02:34 AM - Post#218565    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

We'll agree to disagree. I've never seen him defending guys on the perimeter or taking guys off the dribble from the perimeter. His skill set doesn't fit in the same category as LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Giannis Antetokounmpo. Those are prototypical wings/3s. He's more in the mold of Lemarcus Aldrige, Kevin Love, or Paul Milsap. These Power Forwards mirror his talents.
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hoopla 
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01-17-17 04:32 PM - Post#218580    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Evan is a highly skilled, fundamentally sound 4. Future Ivy POY.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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01-17-17 05:34 PM - Post#218584    
    In response to hoopla

  • hoopla Said:
Evan is a highly skilled, fundamentally sound 4. Future Ivy POY.



He is undeniably a 4. Unfortunately on this team he's forced to play out of position.
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hoopla 
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01-17-17 05:53 PM - Post#218589    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Whatever position he's called is fine with me.

As long as he's in position to take advantage of his remarkable rebounding ability, ability to finish, ability to get fouled, and ability to step out and hit the 3 or put it on the floor vs larger slower opponents on occasion.

I don't like the idea of him as a wing player as that makes it a lot easier on the opponent and isn't maximizing his potential IMO. If I'm going against Dartmouth I'd love for Evan to stay on the outside and shoot more 3s than 2s, which has actually happened this year.

 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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01-18-17 11:07 AM - Post#218634    
    In response to hoopla

Obviously I'm in the minority, but in Cormiers offense Boudreaux routinely took people off the dribble, often getting fouled. He struggles against length, especially long 4's and 5s.

His strengths are his shooting/ability to stretch the floor, rebound, and draw fouls. I'm ok with him playing 4, but i think hes optimized playing 3. I don't think he should play 5 under any circumstances.

Agree to disagree |:)

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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01-18-17 11:58 AM - Post#218640    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

Fair enough, we can always agree to disagree.

What I will submit to everyone, is that it doesn't matter where we think he should play. It matters most what Evan thinks he is. His skill level allows him to play multiple positions i.e 3/4/5. Guys play best when what they think they are matches up with what the coaches think they are. Everyone's on the same page and it's easier to get maximum effort that way. versus trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
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