bradley
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01-06-17 06:22 PM - Post#217506
Tigers appear to be opening as 8 1/2 pt favorite. Miller and Brennan need to stand tall and use their long arms and not let Brodeuer fake them with his moves close to the basket. Would be helpful if they played against him previously.
If Tigers lose, Coach H will be criticized by some and if Penn loses, it will probably be the result of bad calls by the refs by some. Life is sometimes so predictable. In all likelihood, it will be competitive and unpredictable like most Penn/Prin games and it will come down to a few critical possessions during the second half.
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sparman
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01-06-17 07:33 PM - Post#217512
In response to bradley
I hate being a big favorite versus a long time rival whose games, as you say, are always a challenge regardless of record.
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SRP
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01-06-17 07:53 PM - Post#217514
In response to sparman
I'm nervous but actually feeling better about this than usual. The loss of Caruso seems to have weirdly focused the Tigers' minds and they have a lot of guys to throw at Brodeur. If Miller turns out to be the best defensive option I'd give him big minutes (assuming MH doesn't go to a two-bigs lineup).
I'm as worried about Brodeur blocking shots when PU drives as anything else. They have one experienced athletic wing defender to cover two athletic wings, so there should be some favorable matchups for either Cook or Stephens (I'm assuming they'll want to guard Weisz with someone who isn't too short). I like Cannady against any of their PGs and perhaps Bell will do to Penn what Nelson-Henry used to do to Princeton--play at a high level against them even when struggling against other opponents. Especially if the Tigers can get some ORs and fast breaks they should challenge the Quakers' newfound defensive prowess.
The Tigers need to play rugged, persistent defense without too much fouling and give Penn a chance to indulge its turnover proclivities while continuing to seal off the defensive boards. If they can defend as well as they did against Cal or VCU or Bucknell they should be OK.
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penn nation
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01-07-17 07:25 PM - Post#217564
In response to SRP
The Tigers need to play rugged, persistent defense without too much fouling and give Penn a chance to indulge its turnover proclivities
Hasn't really been the case so much this year. MacDonald in particular has made a big difference here.
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rbg
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01-07-17 08:05 PM - Post#217566
In response to penn nation
Brodeur, Howard, MacDonald, Donahue and Betley starting.
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SRP
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01-07-17 08:15 PM - Post#217571
In response to rbg
Nice follow dunk, almost without bending his knees, by Stephens. Tigers just missing on a bunch of plays at both ends of the floor--they need to calm down a bit. Like the early defensive effort, though.
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rbg
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01-07-17 08:16 PM - Post#217572
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2-6 at the first break.
Donahue two bad threes pointers. Brodeur 0-2 on free throws. Howard had a possible injury to his left shoulder, but returned after a few minutes.
Tigers have 3 offensive rebounds and 3 turnovers.
Foreman got the teams opening bucket after Princeton 6-0 run.
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rbg
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01-07-17 08:26 PM - Post#217576
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6-14 at second break.
Penn is 0-4 from three (0-3 Donahue). Princeton is 1-5 from three.
Cannady and Bell have three driving layups between them.
Penn has had multiple subs at PG and SG.
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SRP
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01-07-17 08:26 PM - Post#217577
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Intense start to the game. I haven't seen Penn play this kind of perimeter defense in a long time. Still, Aaron Young manages to knock in a trey and Bell has driven to the rim pretty well.
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rbg
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01-07-17 08:33 PM - Post#217581
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At third break, 10-16.
Penn is 0-5 from three and has 8 turnovers! Doing much better job limiting Tigers to one shot.
Brodeur has 4 pts and 2 offensive rebounds. Foreman has 4 points on two driving layups.
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SRP
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01-07-17 08:33 PM - Post#217583
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Weisz blows the backdoor layup on a great feed from Miller. Looked like he was pushed, but no replay to tell yet. PU up 6 with 7:50 left in the first half.
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rbg
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01-07-17 08:47 PM - Post#217594
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Under 4 timeout, 14-24. Princeton had a 8-0 run before a Donahue layup.
Penn is now 0-6 from three with 9 turnovers. Princeton playing great defense and is controlling the inside on offense.
Brodeur picked up 2nd foul with just over 5 minutes to go. He has 4 points, 4 boards, and is 2-5 from the charity stripe.
Penn is 2-5 with FT. Princeton is 11-11 with two coming up.
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SRP
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01-07-17 09:01 PM - Post#217610
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Excellent first half for PU, doubling up Penn 34-17, showing great D and forcing TOs, neutralizing Brodeur and Howard for the most part, not too many second shots. On the other end, the Quakers have made treys hard to get, but the inside game and the foul line have been good (all those made FTs have been good for my blood pressure).
As I suspected, Bell treats a Penn uniform like Popeye treats a can of spinach. He's looked very good. Miller and Brennan doing what needs to be done, with enough offensive aggression to keep the Quakers honest. Cannady took a couple of optimistic outside shots but otherwise has looked in control. Stephens is doing everything but knock down FGs. Weisz doing his thing, with some great deflection-steals, spot-picking drives, and crisp passes. So far Cook has been doing his job on D but not breaking out on offense.
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rbg
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01-07-17 09:06 PM - Post#217616
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Halftime, 17-34 - Ugh!!!
Penn ended up 0-7 from three (Donahue 0-4), 7-15 from two, and 3-7 from the free throw line. 0 assists and 9 turnovers.
Princeton was 2-10 from three, 7-13 from two and 14-15 from the free throw line. Princeton has been averaging just over 10 free throws made before this game. 2 assists and 7 turnovers.
Brodeur, Rothschild and Donahue have 2 fouls for Penn. Cook and Miller have 2 fouls for the Tigers.
Foreman and Rothschild have played well. Brodeur is playing well, but having trouble dealing with Princeton's interior defense. Howard has been a non-entity in the first half - don't know if it has anything to do with the left shoulder issue that occurred in the first few minutes.
The substitutions at the 1 and 2 are frustrating, but on the other hand no one other than Foreman has been able to do anything.
Cook has 0 points and the team three point shooting is poor, but Princeton has been able to get to the rim. Bell has 10 points, Cannady has 5 and Stephens 5, mostly coming from drives or free throws.
While Penn could still come back, it seems that there are too many things to improve for the next 20 minutes of play.
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SRP
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01-07-17 09:22 PM - Post#217623
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PU misses several early opportunities at the rim to start the second half, then pushes the lead to 21 only to give up a 7-0 run to the Quakers. Miller has been a beast on the boards and making plays inside. Tigers just need to keep their foot on the gas on the offensive end.
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rbg
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01-07-17 09:22 PM - Post#217625
In response to rbg
16 minute break, 25-39.
Penn got its first three from Betley (1-9). MacDonald now has 3 fouls. Foreman is doing a great job pushing the ball up and getting to the hoop.
Cannady is starting to take charge for Princeton.
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SRP
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01-07-17 09:28 PM - Post#217632
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41-33 lead now. Penn making treys, Princeton missing them. Betley for Penn looking a lot better when they stay in a zone and he doesn't have to get abused by his man, as happened repeatedly in the first half.
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rbg
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01-07-17 09:34 PM - Post#217638
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Under 12 break, 36-43!
Penn has hit its last 4 three pointers (4-12 overall). Down 7, Foreman has missed two layups in a row. Betley looks like he is getting more confident as the game continues.
Princeton is 2-16 from three and the inside shots are not falling.
Cook went out with an ankle injury, and will come back after the timeout. The announcers don't think he is at 100%.
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SRP
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01-07-17 09:45 PM - Post#217650
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Game tied at 44 after Princeton once again yaks up a big lead, this time on some bad offensive possessions against the 1-3-1 along with inattention to perimeter shooters. Cook and Weisz both injured and not able to play at 100%, Cannady forcing a shot or two.
Time to forget the history and start out as if it were the beginning of the game.
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rbg
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01-07-17 09:45 PM - Post#217651
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Princeton takes an under 8 timeout. 44-44! (I'm gladly eating my words at halftime)
Penn has hit 6 of its last 7 three pointers, including 3 from Betley. They continue with the outstanding second half defense. Also, only 2 turnovers this half.
Brodeur has hit 2 of his last 4 free throws. Team is 8-15 overall from the line.
Cook has 4 fouls and 1 point.
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