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01-12-17 07:58 AM - Post#218065
I'm still waiting for bradley's scouting report....
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-12-17 04:38 PM - Post#218104
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Brown has one more win, 9-7, than all of last year although their schedule has been very weak, #347.
They play at a quick pace and they have a very high FG, 3pt and FT%. Three seniors, Spieth-Blackmon-Hobbie, lead the way. Spieth's offensive game has really improved and he would be a top 5 candidate for IL POY based on current stats. Hobbie shoots at a ridiculous 53% 3pt percentage. They do not have much of an interior game and they do turn the ball over.
They are not a very good defensive or rebounding team. Weisz will probably be whipping passes to wide open 3 pt shooters and Miller should be set up screens to free up Cannady, Cook and Weisz. Coach needs to have someone stay like glue on Hobbie, Stepehsn/Cook will probably switch on Spieth, and Cannady needs to play better defense on PG than he played against Penn.
Seems like a reasonably good match up for the Tigers although both teams are reliant on 3 pt shooting which is always a wild card and Brown can shoot. Other question mark will the Tigers be thinking about Yale on Friday night -- hopefully not. Game should be more competitive than prior years --- just a guess.
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-12-17 08:53 PM - Post#218127
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I'm just impressed you figured a way to spell Eli's proper name.
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-12-17 09:34 PM - Post#218132
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16 1/2 pt favorite seems somewhat excessive. Tigers have not been able to bury teams this year. Three seniors on Brown may keep it closer than Vegas thinks.
As surprising, Yale is 1 1/2 pt underdog to Penn. Bulldogs seem to get little respect despite their results and play. Go figure.
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01-12-17 10:16 PM - Post#218134
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The odds may assume that Princeton crushes Brown inside and on the boards, getting lots of ORs and getting lots of TOs from them to put up a lot more shots. (Also, Brown's FG% allowed is kind of high.) Imperative to keep playing D and not just count on outscoring them.
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-12-17 10:59 PM - Post#218137
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Brown has one more win, 9-7, than all of last year although their schedule has been very weak, #347.
Brown took a page from the Tigers and doubled down. Not one but two of those nine wins are against non DI schools.
Edited by penn nation on 01-12-17 10:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-13-17 08:33 AM - Post#218149
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Brown took a page from the Tigers and doubled down. Not one but two of those nine wins are against non DI schools.
Oh snap!
I like Penn over Yale. Penn almost beat us on the road. Yale is about the same strength as us, and Penn is at home.
And maybe the refs won't screw Penn this time
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-13-17 09:47 AM - Post#218154
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Yale/Penn game should be a good one and competitive. I have a different perspective as to the outcome as I think that Yale is very much underrated but anything can happen in one game.
Oni and Bruner are very talented players with the base of Downey, Dallier, Reynolds, Copeland and Phils plus they play defense and rebound. I would not be the least bit surprised if the Yale/Princeton game will be the toughest home game of the season.
Penn is certainly on the road back and will be a far different team than what they have been over the last number of years. Between the Division III game and playing Penn, Brown and Dartmouth, and Cornell, the Tigers started the season with eight or nine wins. Some of those "wins" will probably be tougher down the road.
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01-13-17 10:01 PM - Post#218208
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Good first half versus Brown, although I hate it when they get casual after the lead exceeds 20. Put your foot on their neck!
Bell and company able to drive through Brown's man defense like the proverbial hot knife through butter. Their zones have been more stalwart, but there are lots of holes to exploit.
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01-13-17 10:24 PM - Post#218218
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Lead now 62-35 early in the second after the Tigers force three consecutive turnovers and Cannady explodes while Stephens gets a fast-break layup. I would so love for them to really put the hammer down now and turn it into a blowout, just to get out of the habit of letting the other team back in.
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01-13-17 10:36 PM - Post#218224
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Up 33 with 8:04 left. Cannady 7-9 from three, Bell also bombing away, Brennan blocking shots. Pretty much a fan's dream. MH calls timeout and I think the backups are going to bring this one in for a landing.
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01-13-17 10:46 PM - Post#218228
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Brennan and Gladson looking pretty good together in garbage time. LeBlanc moving well without the ball and gets a block. Lead holding up very nicely. Only about 3:00 left.
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01-13-17 11:01 PM - Post#218236
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Solid finish. On to the big blue bad guys.
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01-13-17 11:24 PM - Post#218247
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Very solid performance by the Tigers although it was a good match up for them. It was interesting to watch Cook and Spieth face off and although Cook got in foul trouble in the first half for the second straight game, he clearly has a greater skill level offensively and defensively.
Cannady was simply crazy good -- should have saved some shots for tomorrow night. Miller and Bell continue to come to life. Stephens was outstanding and Weisz is simply reliable. Cannady and Stephens are probably the best sophomore tandem in the league. Where was this offense at the beginning of the year? Defense has actually been reasonably consistent throughout the year with a few exceptions.
Great game on tab for tomorrow night -- hopefully a big turnout. Yale overpowered Penn tonight -- some continue to underestimate Yale -- why?. Oni and Bruner are so talented with so much upside and Copeland is a scorer. Bulldogs are very tough on the boards and play tough defense. Imagine if they had Mason. 50-50 game tomorrow night? Who makes 3 pt shots in a tough defensive battle?
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01-13-17 11:47 PM - Post#218250
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I love Cannady's confidence and joie de vive out there. That shot is very pretty.
In other nice-looking shot news, Miller's FTs have been beautiful high-arcing splashes in the last couple of games. Hope that's a trend.
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01-14-17 09:39 AM - Post#218260
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It will be interesting to see how much 1-3-1 zone that Yale utilizes with Bruner at the top. Bruner plays like Cook at the top with the added advantage of being 3" taller with a longer wing span. Oniand Bruner can block shots. Last night, both came off the bench but perhaps they start tonight.
In all likelihood, Tigers will be able to defend as Yale is a good but not great offensive team. They shoot 3s' slightly better than Tigers but shoot less of them. Oni, Copeland and Dallier can shoot 3s'. Their strengths are rebounding and defense and being tough.
Tigers need to keep moving the ball and they will ultimately get looks although Yale charges out to the shooter. May need to fake some shots and then reset for 3 pt shot, which is tough, or drive to the basket and give somebody else an open look as Yale switches.
They may be playing each other two more times after tonight so hopefully, Mitch learns how to play them.
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01-14-17 09:22 PM - Post#218311
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Aggravating start with lots of missed bunnies and open treys. The Tigers look a bit anxious to me, but two pretty backdoors assuage my qualms a tad. Yale can really shoot the ball.
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01-14-17 09:38 PM - Post#218315
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Entertaining, tense, low-scoring first half with 3:00 or so left. Tigers finally get the lead after a series of steals and blocks on D trigger their offense. Stephens and Cook are seizing the day, Weisz and Cannady facilitating. D is doing a fine job on Downey and Reynolds.
Yale's Bruner is scary good. Oni is saddled with two fouls and has missed a lot after hitting one open trey early.
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01-14-17 09:43 PM - Post#218317
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Bell's buzzer-beating coast-to-coast layup puts PU up 2 at the half. Yale lucky to be in the game, given that the Tigers are 1-15 from three with almost all of them routine open looks.
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01-14-17 09:45 PM - Post#218318
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Bell's buzzer-beating coast-to-coast layup puts PU up 2 at the half. Yale lucky to be in the game, given that the Tigers are 1-15 from three with almost all of them routine open looks.
Not from where this neutral observer sits. Probably looking at the two teams playing on a March Sunday in the Palestra. Yale is tough--teams are very evenly matched.
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01-14-17 09:52 PM - Post#218320
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Tigers should be up by 8 to 10. At courtside and they are outplaying Yale although not having Dallier hurts Yale. If tigers hit some 3s it will help. Several shots rimming out but risk of being 3pt team. Cook can compete with anyone in il athletically and skill set.
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01-14-17 10:07 PM - Post#218324
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There have been a lot of interesting athletic defensive plays in this game. Cook is giving Oni fits. Miller has neutralized Downey and Reynolds has struggled against smaller Tigers. Stephens has been a stud bothering his man.
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01-14-17 10:11 PM - Post#218326
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I must not be watching the same game as you. Copeland is breaking your defense down rather well. And Phills and others have had superb defensive plays on the other end.
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01-14-17 10:23 PM - Post#218329
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Copeland's been hot, though they've slowed him down a tad in the second half. Phills has looked good on both ends. But the Tigers are getting pieces of or bothering a lot of Yale shot attempts.
The 1-3-1 appears for Princeton and immediately forces a turnover and a responding Stephens layup (fouled but no call). Jones has to take a timeout.
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01-14-17 10:25 PM - Post#218330
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Yep. Yale has not scored since the defensive switch.
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01-14-17 10:31 PM - Post#218333
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Copeland is scoring against man except when Stephens is on him.
Not too thrilled with the block call on Cook on Downey's late lean-in drive. Up until now, this has not been a great game for Downey; Miller and Gladson have both stopped his offense.
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01-14-17 10:38 PM - Post#218338
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This has been a very intense one to watch. Stephens has done some amazing stuff but at times is just too out of control. Some bad passing by both squads.
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Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-14-17 10:52 PM - Post#218344
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Finally, a win that instills some confidence. This isn't the special team that I was hoping for (even ESPN had them as a projected #9 seed), but they're no longer a total mess who looks like they could miss the Ivy tourney.
- At long last, Amir Bell has found his confidence and he saved our bacon at the end.
- Stephens continues to impress on both ends of the floor. Gotta lean on him more.
- This team doesn't have any great players, but it's loaded with good ones. Find the mismatch, feed the hot hand. If they load up on Cannady and Cook, then give it to Stephens and Bell.
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01-14-17 10:59 PM - Post#218349
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That was a very entertaining and physical game. A lot more entertaining since the right team won. That 10-0 burst at the end was a real adrenaline burst and relief. Princeton proved that they could hang in a game with tough defense even when their shooting was off, at least at home.
Copeland was awesome for Yale, producing high-efficiency, high-volume scoring with a high degree of difficulty, a rare combination. Oni and Bruner looked like very talented freshman who could be taken out of their games with attentive D. Phills was a handful, tough and athletic. Their inside bigs were mostly stymied, with Reynolds being regularly shut down by Weisz, a smaller player, and Downey barely hitting the rim under pressure from Tiger centers.
The resurgence of Amir Bell is maybe the most positive storyline for Princeton, with the rise of Myles Stephens being the other contender. Yale's defense was tilted toward Cannady and Cook, Weisz's shooting was sketchy, the big men had no scoring, so those two had to really pick it up, and they did in impressive fashion while still staying focused on D along with their teammates. Very nice.
Now they need to go ace all their exams and come back ready for the road trip to Hanover and Cambridge. Three down, eight to go.
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Re: Brown and ÊŽale weekend 01-14-17 11:00 PM - Post#218350
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I had also said - no great players, lotsa good ones. But while there no way you wouldn't want Caruso and Brase available, it's given the space for others, especially Stephens to step forward. They went with the no big lineup of Bell, Cannady, Stephens, Cook, Weisz with good effect - but it highlights the lack if offense they are getting from bigs. Not sure if they can get away with that against Harvard or other teams. They like last year miss Brase, although to be sure Brase wasn't at the level he used to be, although a Eurofied Brase would still be useful with this squad.
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01-14-17 11:45 PM - Post#218358
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Copeland looked like the reincarnation of Makai Mason against Baylor last March -- Mason was limping noticeably walking to and from the Yale bench. Bulldogs are tough and play together --- Bruner is crazy good in 1-3-1. Walkaway for me is that the Tigers are as athletic as Yale. Stephens, Cook and Cannady have some special athletic skills plus they can shoot the ball, not tonight. If the Tigers go 3-15 vs. 1-15 in the first half 3 pt shooting, they would have been up by 8 at half time. They did not play great tonight but they played tough at the end of the game.
If they lost, I am sure some folks would suggest that it was Henderson's fault. I was thinking about excuses if they lost, i.e. refs, B ball was deflated in the 1st half, Teflon coating on the rim, etc. vs. they shot lousy with wide open looks in the first half.
Henderson gave a big sigh of relief as he was walking towards the locker room as he should. Cannady needed to save some 3 pointers from last night.
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01-15-17 12:05 AM - Post#218364
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Poor Penn. The refs cost them yet another game tonight. Just not fair.
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01-15-17 12:58 AM - Post#218368
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All is well in the Ivy League. Princeton sits alone on top, and Penn is all alone in the cellar. Go Tigers!
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01-15-17 08:11 AM - Post#218371
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Postgame MH said he will be recruiting over the break. I hope this weekend tilted Jarrod "Jarod" Simons in our direction.
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01-15-17 09:25 AM - Post#218381
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I just watched the game on ILDN replay, a very solid win and always good to see a Princeton victory over Yale (in any sport!).
Biggest takeaway for me was the outstanding defensive intensity throughout the game. The Yalies had many possessions that went down to the last seconds of the shot clock and there was someone always in their face. Copeland had a great game for them but he also took 17 of their 54 shots and many of them were outside of the flow of their offense. I agree with the posters who noted that Princeton outplayed Yale in the first half and that it was only close because good looks were not falling at their usual rate.
Second big takeaway for me is that Princeton can weather a quiet night from Cook and an off night from Cannady and still beat a quality opponent. Combined with the Penn game, Princeton was 10-43 from beyond the arc yet were able to grind out important wins with ball movement, rebounding, low turnovers and excellent D. Myles Stephens has established himself as a major offensive threat and Amir Bell is showing confidence and control that I have not seen before. It seems that the scout on the Tigers is to over-play Cook and Cannady, which has created more opportunities for Myles and Amir, especially going to the rim.
And perhaps I am hopelessly biased, but I don't see this team as being just an amalgam of very good players. Cook in particular is a stud, from outside, creating off the dribble, shutting down wings on D and getting tough boards and I can see him emerge as a POY candidate if the Tigers win the title. Cannady and Stephens would be the centerpiece on most teams and Spencer Weisz does not have a dominating presence but has an immense impact on the outcome of the game.
A concern is the heavy minutes for the starters + Bell, which will be difficult to sustain on the 5 remaining Ivy weekends. Gladson was solid last night and avoided the turnovers and fouls we have seen previously and Brennan, like Bell, seems like he has figured out how to tap his considerable talent within Princeton's style of play. It seems we will need them and Aaron Young to play some important minutes as the season ramps up.
Great start and it is really impressive how Coach Henderson has reconfigured and guided the team in the wake of the shocking losses of Caruso and Brase.
Go Tigers!
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01-15-17 10:30 AM - Post#218385
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Really good summary as to what actually took place last night. Bell and Coach talked about how defense is the basis of it all and Coach has emphasized defense more each year. Coach did comment that they may have come out tight which is a concern as that has occurred during his reign. On balance, he has done a good job of transitioning the Tigers to an athletic team with good shooting skills.
Bell, Cannady and Brennan were 3 star recruits but he has not landed any high profile recruit. The coaching staff is either "lucky" or skilled in finding Cook and Stephens and/or they do a good job in developing their skills. I always thought if they had a good non-conference run this year with IL success, Henderson would get offered the opportunity to run a larger program. He is a good coach getting better.
For Weisz and Cook, it would be great if they have the opportunity to participate in March Madness but you never know with the goofy IL Tournament this year. At the very least, it would be good if the IL regular season banner is added to Jadwin as they have put in the work. There is a long way to go and Yale/Harvard will not make it easy.
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01-15-17 10:53 AM - Post#218388
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Disappointing that we play them again so soon (2/7) instead of traditional end of season.
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01-15-17 12:27 PM - Post#218390
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The coaching staff is either "lucky" or skilled in finding Cook
Just wanted to remind everyone that Cook committed this week in his JUNIOR year. I would love to ask him why he chose Princeton so early. Based on his performance off the court, I almost get the feeling that basketball may not have been the most important reason for him.
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01-15-17 04:15 PM - Post#218415
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Cook went to high school about 5 miles from the Northwestern campus, where Henderson was assistant and long-time Tiger Billy Carmody coached. New Trier probably sends as many kids to Ivies as any public school its size and there is at least one former Tiger hoopster who played there (Rick Hielscher). This was not luck and not surprising--the table was set up very nicely for Cook to come to Princeton.
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01-15-17 08:11 PM - Post#218436
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Unfortunately, Simmons to Penn.
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01-15-17 08:29 PM - Post#218440
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Postgame MH said he will be recruiting over the break. I hope this weekend tilted Jarrod "Jarod" Simons in our direction.
Not so tilted; do you feel jilted?
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01-15-17 09:28 PM - Post#218444
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Just disappointed. Sounds like he wants to be sure he plays right away. If he's that good, he would have gotten PT at Princeton as a frosh, but no doubt he'll get more at Penn.
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01-16-17 04:45 PM - Post#218527
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"Spencer Weisz does not have a dominating presence but has an immense impact on the outcome of the game."
How true. Poor shooting night for Weisz, 2-8 on wide open 3 pointers, but over the final 7 minutes, he made big plays -- FG and 1 driving on Bruner, set up 3 pointer for Bell by drawing Bell's defender, clutch 3 pointer on fake shot and then re-set his feet, etc, etc. You can tell that he is the team leader and will probably be a head coach down the road for some team. Apparently, he is going to try to play some ball after graduation.
Weisz, in the past, has experienced difficulties when playing big time competition due to athleticism but in the Ivy League, he is tough. Coach Jones gave Reynolds the ball deep in the beginning of the second half and Weisz set his feet and held his ground. Somehow, he gets rebounds against taller guys who can jump.
There is an argument that he is the MVP for the Tigers as he brings his passing and selfishness to the court night in and night out. He has certainly made the most out of his God given abilities.
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01-16-17 08:22 PM - Post#218540
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I would call Weisz a "superglue" guy because he can also use a lot of possessions productively when that is called for.
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01-22-17 09:11 AM - Post#219056
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Other than 13 minutes of the Penn game at the beginning of the second half, the Tigers have enjoyed a competitive edge over the past six games of getting off a higher % of uncontested shots on offense and contesting shots on defense. Part of it may be competition but part of it is due to ball movement and defensive intensity. Biggest challenge on offense will be going against Harvard in several weeks. If they move the ball efficiently, i.e. Yale fist half, it does not mean that they will hit their shots but ultimately, shots will probably fall. One extra pass normally gives someone a good look if they keep moving the ball quickly.
After looking at the games this weekend, it does not appear that any Ivy team has an offensive machine. Defensive intensity, like the Tigers have played recently, should make it difficult for opposing offenses to score, i.e. Cook on Spieth, unless you get someone to perform like Copeland.
There does not appear to be a lot of great shooters/scorers in the league plus defenses are getting better.
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