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Chet Forte 
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01-12-17 01:32 PM - Post#218092    

The Cornell game notes indicate that they start four guards and one forward. Morgan gave us fits last year, and Hatter used to give Lo fits. We will have a significant size advantage, but it is always tough to play up there. I haven't seen the line. Somebody is going to have to guard Morgan from the three point line. I don't know if Smith has the size to do it.


 
RHunter3 
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01-12-17 02:01 PM - Post#218093    
    In response to Chet Forte

Gettings 6'8
Whiteside 6'4
Morgan 6'2
Hatter 6'1
Fallas 5'9

I think this is heir normal lineup. I would say Hickman would be on Morgan, which would make him have to shoot over a taller player. Smith would be on Hatter or Fallas. If he's on Fallas, then that would put a taller guard on Hatter as well.

We should own the boards and limit their shots IF we hit the boards. We can limit them to one shot per possession.



 
Columbia Alum 
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01-12-17 02:03 PM - Post#218094    
    In response to Chet Forte

I think Smith would be a fitting guard for Jojo Fallas who plays 20+ mins/game for Cornell. But Hatter and especially Morgan are our big worries for this game. I think Hickman and Hunter would be a good duo to guard them. No games will be easy for us this year, especially Ithaca this weekend.

 
rbg 
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01-12-17 02:25 PM - Post#218097    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Due to a number of issues, Cornell has been forced to go to a four guard lineup.

Over the last few games, the team has been down to two forwards, Gettings and Warren. Both have performed better than expected this season. Both are pretty good in rebounding, but Gettings has more offensive weapons. Gettings is also leading the team in assists, but his numbers have come down as the team has gotten into some recent high scoring games.

Morgan, again, is leading the Ivy League in scoring. He is shooting 44% overall and 39% from three. He also leads the league in three points made, 49.

Hatter is shooting 42%, but only 20% from three. Where Hatter excels offensively is driving the lane. He is the team's main ball handler, and the team's biggest cause of turnovers.

Fallas is basically a three point shooter, but only averaging 1.3 makes a game. With the injuries and defections from the starting lineup, he is getting many more minutes this year, but is averaging the same amount of points as last year.

Recently, Whiteside and Bathurst have been more involved in the offense.

Cornell shoots lots of threes, and averages more than 9 makes a game, but they are only shooting them at 34%. They do a good job with 2 Pt FG, shooting them at 53%. They have a low number of rebounds, but are surprisingly good on the defensive side.

They don't get to the line a huge amount and are shooting them at 68%.

Last year's team was much more aggressive on defense. As a result, this year's team is very low on creating turnovers and steals.

The Red are going to get their three's on Saturday. The big question is how efficiently. If Morgan, Fallas, Whiteside, and Gettings can hit a high percentage of threes, then things should look good for them. If not, then Columbia may have a stronger chance.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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01-12-17 02:40 PM - Post#218098    
    In response to rbg

I'm more worried about the refs than anything else. I hope the refs will not allow Hatter to maul Smith in the same manner as he did Lo.

 
SomeGuy 
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01-12-17 03:23 PM - Post#218102    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

This may be kind of an odd perspective, but I'm not sure how much the defense on Morgan and Hatter matters. If they are having one of those nights when they score 50 between them, Columbia will lose. But most nights they don't do that, and there were a bunch of Ivy games last year where Hatter more or less shot them out of the game.

So if you play the game 10 times, I think Columbia wins the majority of them. But sometimes those guys will kill you, regardless of how you defend. It's just what Cornell does.

In a sense stopping Gettings may be a better goal (and more achievable).

 
Chet Forte 
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01-12-17 08:02 PM - Post#218122    
    In response to SomeGuy

Two years ago the refs took Lo out of one of the Cornell games with two fouls in the first 90 seconds. Hatter provoked him on both occasions and Lo fell for it. In two games two years ago Lo took a horse collar in one game and scored something like 7 in the other game (we split that year).


 
cc66 
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01-13-17 07:45 AM - Post#218146    
    In response to Chet Forte

I am pleasantly surprised. I have been out of the country and without Internet for a month; when I left, we were playing poorly and had slumped to KP 238. Now that we seem to be absorbing what Engels is teaching and playing better defense, we've risen to KP 215. Although we're supposed to lose to Cornell by 1, this projection does not reflect our recent improvement. If Morgan doesn't
go wild, I think we can pull it off.

Catching up on posts over the
last month, though, it is still not clear: does anyone know what is going on with Meisner? And did anyone go to the sports bar 1/11/17 to open the Ivy season with Engles?




 
mountainred 
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01-14-17 01:54 PM - Post#218271    
    In response to SomeGuy

  • SomeGuy Said:
This may be kind of an odd perspective, but I'm not sure how much the defense on Morgan and Hatter matters. If they are having one of those nights when they score 50 between them, Columbia will lose. But most nights they don't do that, and there were a bunch of Ivy games last year where Hatter more or less shot them out of the game.

So if you play the game 10 times, I think Columbia wins the majority of them. But sometimes those guys will kill you, regardless of how you defend. It's just what Cornell does.

In a sense stopping Gettings may be a better goal (and more achievable).



I think it's even easier; just stop Hatter's dribble penetration. Robert can take over a game where he's getting lay-ups and 10+ free throws. If he has to rely on the 3pt shot, the odds favor the defense.

If Morgan and Hatter have one of those games where they combine for 8 of 16 shooting from behind the arc, Cornell probably wins. But that's not going to happen often.

 
internetter 
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01-14-17 05:32 PM - Post#218288    
    In response to mountainred

Meisner is playing. Hunter started in place of Killingsworth.
west coast fan


Edited by internetter on 01-14-17 05:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
internetter 
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01-14-17 05:41 PM - Post#218292    
    In response to internetter

Lions up 37-32 at the half.
west coast fan


 
internetter 
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01-14-17 07:01 PM - Post#218301    
    In response to internetter

Smith missed 2 very late FTs, BR made 2, sloppy play by both afterwards.
Lions won 79-75, Luke P. 31.
west coast fan


 
RHunter3 
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01-14-17 07:27 PM - Post#218302    
    In response to internetter

Good win, but didn't need to be that close at the end. We rebounded well, expecially on the offensive end.

 
Columbia Alum 
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01-14-17 08:07 PM - Post#218305    
    In response to RHunter3

Petrasek was incredible today, sloppy play at the end to let Cornell back in, but luckily they were a little sloppy as well. Still would like to see more of Tape, but Coby and petrasek combined well today.

Game remained close because Cornell was burying their 3s and we hit lower % than usual. Think we were the better team most of time. Petrasek is incredibly hard to guard, he has a long range game, is tall, attacks the basket and shoots FT well. Some big shoes to fill when he leaves next year.

 
internetter 
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01-14-17 09:06 PM - Post#218306    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Of course, it was but one Ivy game, but Luke P. showed what he can do, perhaps causing a rethink by some. As much as anything today, he hit critical shots.
west coast fan


 
Columbia 37P6 
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01-14-17 09:09 PM - Post#218307    
    In response to internetter

Petrasek was sensational. In my opinion, he's the best player in the Ivy League!

 
Chet Forte 
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01-14-17 09:10 PM - Post#218308    
    In response to internetter

This is the Luke Petrasek who we have been waiting for ever since his freshman year when he went for 21 against St. John's. It got a little hairy at the end when we let Cornell back into the game, but that is a tough road trip and a tough place to play. In any event, they will be looking to foul out Luke at Levien ( so will everybody else this year) so we have to be ready.


 
Murph 
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01-15-17 07:41 AM - Post#218370    
    In response to Chet Forte

Nice win yesterday. It's always difficult to go up to Ithaca and start conference play with a win.

Engels needs to stick with this starting lineup for the rest of the season. Not all of our starters need to be 3 pt shooters. We benefit when an energy guy like Hunter or a wily veteran like Coby crash the boards and play tough defense.

Let Petrasek, Hickman and Smith run the offense and score the points, while Hunter and Coby do the dirty work on defense and on the glass.



 
Murph 
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01-15-17 08:23 AM - Post#218372    
    In response to Murph

I see Petrasek is shooting that magical trifecta of 50%, 40%, 90% from the floor, 3 pt line and FT line.

 
Chet Forte 
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01-15-17 09:15 AM - Post#218378    
    In response to Murph

While I am pleased by this win, it bears repeating that this game was closer than it could have been. I like Hunter's energy and athleticism. I also think that a healthy Meisner will give us a big boost in the front court. Finally, we will need to do a better jo of clamping down on the three point shot. As far as Luke, he is a legitimate POY candidate. And Smith is on his way to being the best pure PG we have ever had.


 
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