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Username Post: SIMMONS TO PENN        (Topic#19769)
QHoops 
Junior
Posts: 262

Reg: 12-16-04
01-16-17 11:26 AM - Post#218472    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Last Penn recruit with 3 ACC offers?

Tony Price?

 
nychoops 
Freshman
Posts: 95

Reg: 11-23-04
01-16-17 11:45 AM - Post#218473    
    In response to QHoops

Terrific get...hes young, very energetic with a high skill set. I wouldn't bet on Carmody but I did hear that Penn is working very hard with some really good players in the class of 18' who have legit interest

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4583

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 11:54 AM - Post#218474    
    In response to nychoops

I think the AI hike will dampen what sounds like it could be another ridiculous league-wide 2018 class, but I'm still hearing very bullish things about the 2018 pool. And when the pool is big, there can be lots of winners.

 
nychoops 
Freshman
Posts: 95

Reg: 11-23-04
01-16-17 12:02 PM - Post#218475    
    In response to mrjames

Mrjames...I think i finally understand the AI but was unaware of the hike.,,if you can would you simply(I'm not Ivy bright!) explain what the hike entails.....thanks.

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
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Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 12:24 PM - Post#218479    
    In response to nychoops

From what I understand, the AI is going from 178 to 183 for the 2018 class. The move was made to recalibrate for the ACT producing what have been seen as inflated AI scores. At least that's what I remember the argument as.

You can envision that as a couple point increase in the ACT or 50 point increase in the SAT. And while it will minorly hurt the league as a whole, it will have an outsized impact on those teams that could fish a lot at the floor and relative benefits for teams that were restricted in the numbers they could take at the floor.

 
AsiaSunset 
Postdoc
Posts: 3645

Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 01:11 PM - Post#218488    
    In response to mrjames

Mike

Isn't the AI still a 3 part calculation with the option of counting the SAT twice instead of the subject tests.

If so aren't we talking about the need for a 25 point bump in the SAT?

 
Jeff2sf 
Postdoc
Posts: 3387

Reg: 11-22-04
01-16-17 01:21 PM - Post#218490    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I could not be more happy about this addition.

 
Quakers03 
Professor
Posts: 6354

Reg: 12-07-04
01-16-17 02:42 PM - Post#218499    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I guess this means it's official? I'm still waiting on his twitter announcement.

http://blogs.post-gazette.com/sports/varsity-blog/...

I didn't realize he was born in Princeton. Makes it that much sweeter.

 
besnoah 
Masters Student
Posts: 567

Reg: 12-14-05
SIMMONS TO PENN
01-16-17 02:51 PM - Post#218501    
    In response to Quakers03

I would think you should perceive multiple sources confirming this commitment as his official announcement.

Edit: I will also point out that Joe Mihalich retweeted the announcement from Corey Evans of Simmons' commitment pursuant to the NCAA's new rules on social media/recruiting:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/08/coaches...

Edited by besnoah on 01-16-17 02:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
Postdoc
Posts: 2804

Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
01-16-17 03:03 PM - Post#218502    
    In response to AsiaSunset

This team has been consistently inconsistent all season. They're still very inexperienced, so this should surprise nobody.

 
besnoah 
Masters Student
Posts: 567

Reg: 12-14-05
01-16-17 03:04 PM - Post#218503    
    In response to besnoah

I know it feels like we've been talking about him forever, so perhaps these videos have been shared, but here's an old one of Jarrod talking about his early recruiting interest (apparently VCU under Shaka was his first offer):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mu2c9w35Tc

Also, he has a Hudl page which seems to include many of his games this year:

http://www.hudl.com/profile/8529887/jarro d-simmons

 
Bill Lewis 
Junior
Posts: 239

Loc: Santa Cruz, CA
Reg: 12-23-04
01-16-17 03:45 PM - Post#218513    
    In response to mrjames

Mr. James. Why would the league require a higher SAT score if the ACT is the culprit? Just curious.

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4583

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 04:11 PM - Post#218517    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I believe (and I strongly emphasize believe, because as you know, getting a look at an official document that spells out these rules is a no go) that they use verbal + math + GPA as the 80/80/80, not SAT I Score + SAT I Score or SAT II Score + GPA. Either way, though, you'd still need 50 points.

For instance. Let's say I'm at 590 Math, 590 Verbal and a GPA that translates to a 60. Under the math + verbal + GPA way, that would translate to a 178 (our current bar). Under the SAT I + SAT I + GPA way that would translate to 178 as well (1180/2/10 + 1180/2/10 + 60).

Now, if I raise my Math by 50 points, I'm now at:

640 / 10 + 590 / 10 + 60 = 183 (new bar)

Under the other calc, I'd be at:

(1230 / 2) / 10 + (1230 / 2) / 10 + 60 = 183 (new bar)

So I think you'd be looking at 50 points either way.

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2123
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 04:11 PM - Post#218518    
    In response to besnoah

A lot to like in those videos from this season - dunks, blocks, and rebounds are a given because he is playing smaller kids, but him hitting 3 pointers and pushing the ball up court is why we should really be excited. What I see in those videos reminds me of Koko Archibong. It will be great to have a player with that skill set again (fun to watch) and seems like a great compliment to Brodeur and Rothschild.

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4583

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 04:16 PM - Post#218520    
    In response to Bill Lewis

It's the same reason why we saw the jump from 171 to 176 when only the class rank to GPA move was to blame. You could have argued that it would have been more "correct" to keep the bar at 171 for those using class rank and raise it to 176 for those using GPA.

In this iteration, they could have calibrated down the ACT score as it translates to an AI score, but they didn't, they decided to adjust the floor. I think it might just be cleaner and easier to do it that way. I don't have a lot of clarity into the "why," sadly.

 
pennsive 
Sophomore
Posts: 100

Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 05:52 PM - Post#218532    
    In response to Mike Porter

Welcome to our family, Jarrod. We are all passionate about Penn basketball and its tradition of outstanding players. Everyone is thrilled and looking forward to your playing for Penn. You made the right choice. Penn is a wonderful university, and not just because of its basketball team. We all wish you every success on and off the court.

 
TheLine 
Postdoc
Posts: 2756

Age: 53
Reg: 07-07-09
01-16-17 06:28 PM - Post#218533    
    In response to pennsive

This is great news. Simmons has been lighting it up for Moon HS this season so happy this is now a done deal.


 
AsiaSunset 
Postdoc
Posts: 3645

Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 09:13 PM - Post#218545    
    In response to mrjames

Mike

Not the way I understand it to be and not the way others have documented in through the years.

Sat 1 math plus verbal divided by two (drop the last digit) eg 70 plus 60 diviflded by two. 65

Highest Sat 2 plus second highest SAT 2 divided by two again dropping last digit eg 750. And 700. 72

Plus GPA adjusted for curriculum difficulty

Option to use part 1 twice in lieu of using part two

 
AsiaSunset 
Postdoc
Posts: 3645

Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 09:14 PM - Post#218546    
    In response to AsiaSunset

jarrod just announced on Twitter

 
mrjames 
Postdoc
Posts: 4583

Loc: Jersey City, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-17 11:09 PM - Post#218558    
    In response to AsiaSunset

That's the way I always understood the AI too. Just had heard recently that they don't use the section tests anymore. Functionally the calc is the same. Math + Verbal as pieces 1 and 2 or doubling the total for pieces 1 and 2 is the same outcome. Still need 50 pts.

 
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