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GoBigGreenBasketball 
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01-29-17 10:37 AM - Post#219791    

Dartmouth Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 29, 2017

• After losing to Cornell 75-62 yesterday, Dartmouth is now projected to finish the regular season 6-21 (3-11 Ivy).
• We currently rank Dartmouth as the #296 team in the country, and the #8 team in the Ivy.
• Next game: Fri, Feb 3 vs. #70 Princeton. Our power ratings give the Big Green a 12% chance to win.
"...no excuses - only results!”


 
hoopla 
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01-31-17 07:35 AM - Post#220002    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Toughest game on the schedule, even with their injuries

 
hoopla 
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01-31-17 07:35 AM - Post#220003    
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Penn game is huge

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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02-01-17 04:37 PM - Post#220073    
    In response to hoopla

An improbable win against Princeton would be a boon for our guys!

Go Big Green!
"...no excuses - only results!”


 
Go Green 
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02-01-17 04:53 PM - Post#220076    
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  • GoBigGreenBasketball Said:
An improbable win against Princeton would be a boon for our guys!

Go Big Green!



I'd settle for any old win.

 
Tiger69 
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02-02-17 12:38 AM - Post#220118    
    In response to Go Green

Save it for Penn. It will be more useful to you.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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02-02-17 04:24 PM - Post#220152    
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Well the starting lineup is little changed. Really hoped to see Barry finally crack that Green ceiling. We're going up against Princeton which is 10 pts better in scoring that the Green. On a per 40 our starting line up can only produce 53.6pts. We never field enough scoring options to compete with higher scoring opponents. We could use some scoring out of the gate at all positions. Unfortunately we are not going just to defend Princeton into a loss at Leede, we're going to have to score. Hopefully we get big games from our top guys and a surprise breakout or two off the bench wouldn't hurt.
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EasyGreen1 
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Princeton Game #1
02-02-17 05:23 PM - Post#220157    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

I believe the Big Green has the talent. With one or two tweaks we can see major improvement and get wins this weekend. Our guards have to play better defense (stop the ball early and don't allow guard penetration)and we have to get out in transition to get some easy buckets before the defense sets up. I've said before I think Cam Smith can really help in both these areas. I'm hoping he gets in the mix. He played in all but one game last year and started in 17 of them. I can't understand why he's not being used. Maybe he'll be one of the surprises GoBigGreenBasketball is hoping for.


Edited by EasyGreen1 on 02-02-17 05:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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Re: Princeton Game #1
02-02-17 07:23 PM - Post#220173    
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The PT distribution indicates which players a coach values in his system. It's crazy to see C.Smith go from averaging 13 mins and starting to not playing most of the season. I didn't see him on any injury report. I wonder what's going on there.

Hopefully the young man keeps his spirits up. That is a really tough situation. Unfortunately coaching changes bring role changes, drastic ones sometimes. The thing that makes it tougher is that we're 3-14, so the changes haven't born any real fruit.
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hoopla 
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02-03-17 11:36 AM - Post#220219    
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We need 1 win this weekend to retain hope for a top 4 finish. The men will recognize this and come away with a W. Penn seems more likely, but sometimes in these Ivy weekends I've noticed we snag the unexpected L and the unexpected W.

 
Cooper 
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02-03-17 10:38 PM - Post#220355    
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Good effort tonight in a 69-64 loss. Big Green led most of the game but faded down the stretch. Princeton shot poorly from the outside until late but scored inside with impunity. Boudreaux was a monster with a near double-double in the first half. Penn is now a must-get. All credit to Mike Fleming for his game of the year. Fadeaway in the paint was working.

 
hoops123 
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Re: Princeton Game #1
02-04-17 01:08 PM - Post#220386    
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Watched game on ILDN. Princeton Game summary. now 3-15. This was a winnable game(probably best team game we've played this year) but the same things that killed us in the first 17 games killed us again.

On the good news front we limited our turnovers tonight and came out very strong in the beginning of the first half. An ongoing and persistent issue is our defense down the stretch was really weak both end of first half and at crunch time in the second half. Too many easy buckets especially against Wright and Smith (both of whom I believe have professional spectators licenses. They stand around and watch.) We also got selfish on offense in the last 8 minutes going one on many, with Gillian Smith putting head down several times and driving without a kick out and missing open cuts. Our passing is slow and we miss open guys regularly. we seem more worried about dribbling around the rim than setting up a play.

Mike Fleming scored a career high 11 pts but he got abused on defense with faster bigger Princeton players. Time to make the move to Barry. He is our future and deserves the starting spot. Much better and consistent defender, can create and score. Its abysmal not to have any assists from the point guard spot. Can't win games that way.

Guilien Smith.No court vision. Not passing to open man (see a pattern here? EVERY GAME!). 10 pts, 4 T/O's, 0 assists. Its obvious (to viewers and the other team) when he makes the decision he is going to drive at all costs. Several teammates running through lane open, no pass. But he drives to middle and takes ridiculous shots in traffic. This is a consistent pattern and not sure why Mcglaughlin puts up with it? There's a reason why he sat most of last year.

C. Miles Wright: need more from him to win. Miles. 13pts, 5-12 shooting, 3 rebs, 1 asst. Got beat on defense and went behind screens (lazy) allowing 3 point shots mostly uncontested. Need him to step up on defense as this is pretty basic. He went to sleep on too many plays.

D. Wes Dickenson: 1 rebound, 2 points Why didn't Will Emery get into the game? We need to invest in the future. Ian Carter better length but gets lost on defense. Need to get more time for our freshman forwards on the floor as they are the future. Other than Evan no one is rebounding and we don't even go after most of the offensive boards.

E. Evan Boudreaux: The only consistent performer on the team. His 9th double/double of the year. 21 points on 8-14 fg, 57% from the floor, 3-6 from 3pt, 12 rebounds, 2 assts, 1 t/o. Wheres his help? 18 games into the season? He only had a few touches tonight. In crunch time he should have the ball. Not "head down no pass" Guilien. Team cannot get him the ball when he's open. Not sure why this isn't a focus as he is passing very well out of the double and triple teams and is very effective getting open as the shot clock winds down.

Time to invest in the future and make changes to who gets playing time. We need to make a statement on defense and if players let their man drive by them its time to sit them for freshman. Cam Smith is one of our quickest players and should get a chance to be a disrupter and defensive specialist. Cam is WAY BETTER than Fleming. Hell, the team manager is better than Fleming. We never press? Why is that? We let other teams come down court and set up their offense. Some improvement against Princeton, but we need to win games.

The Mcglaughlin honeymoon is over. He isn't getting it done. Period. Players making the same mistakes after 18 games. Fleming is still our point guard (major mistake). I think the game was 3-4 mins old and Fleming had already gotten two fouls and thrown the ball to the other team.His man ran by him almost every time. Mcglauglin: Barry, Barry, Barry!

Almost threw my controller through the TV a couple of times.....


 
hoopla 
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02-04-17 03:42 PM - Post#220411    
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How many TVs or computer screens did you go through during this football season?

 
hoopla 
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02-04-17 03:46 PM - Post#220413    
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Fleming is a tough kid and the other players respect him.

 
hoopla 
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02-04-17 03:47 PM - Post#220414    
    In response to hoopla

I think Barry and Cam will be a great 1-2 punch when it happens, if not this year next year.

 
hoops123 
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02-04-17 05:59 PM - Post#220425    
    In response to hoopla

Actually not really. He talks a good game, but his performance doesn't warrant respect from basketball players or fans, and it definitely doesn't show up on the scoreboard. My opinion. Then there's that mysterious not playing for his sophomore year thing which I'm sure you're aware of that (his bio says "sat out the season") probably doesn't engender a ton of respect with his teammates. Flemings numbers YTD (24 mins/game):

22 for 57 FG's in 18 games. (.386) Barely over 1 FG per game for a starting point guard. Ugh.

11 of 33 3pt FG's in 18 games. (.333) A .61 3pt FG/game (less than 1 3pt make a game) for a starting PG. Ugh again.

14 of 15 FT's in 18 games. (.93%). Great, but less than 1 FT attempt/game. Ugh.

3.8 PPG avg. For a starting point guard? Awful

1.7 Reb's/game. ok

2.22 Fouls/game. ok

11 total turnovers. Better than most of the team.

1.94 Assists/game. For a starting point guard?? AWFUL. He runs the offense!

8 steals in 18 games?

And again, these numbers are gotten playing 24 minutes a game!

Barry's numbers (17 mins per game)make a case for him starting:

26 of 58 FG's in 15 GAMES! (.448%)! 1.73 FG's per game. Higher than Fleming.

16 of 36 3pt baskets in 15 games (.444%)! Just over 1 3pt FG made per game. Higher than Fleming.

25 of 32 FT's in 15 games (.781%). 1.66 FT's made/game. His % is lower than Fleming, but he gets to the line more than Fleming. Better points result than Fleming.

6.2 PPG avg. And 2.4 ppg better than Fleming.

Reb 1.5/game. Ok

Fouls 1.46/game. Better than Fleming.

Assists 1.6/game (in 17 mins vs Fleming 1.94 assists in 24 mins)

12 Turnovers in 15 games. Less than 1 per game. Ok, Difference with Fleming who's slightly better: negligible.

6 steals and 2 blocks in 15 games. Fleming 0 blocks.

Basic comparison as I didn't do stats per 40 mins, but Barry would have Fleming across the board if I did. So I ask again: What is Mcglaughlin waiting for? We're already losing. Fleming will be playing his last basketball games of his life in 7 games or so. Barry has three years and 7 or so games ahead of him. Fleming has been the starting pt guard in 15 losses. His numbers are anemic (his first game in 4 years where he scored in double digits was last night!) In four years??? What do we have to lose starting Barry?? It's not leadership. Talking a lot isn't helping our team on the scoreboard! We need numbers!! :-(

 
Tiger69 
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02-04-17 08:01 PM - Post#220432    
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Dartmouth played a great game. If they have another like this, they can beat most anyone. If Spencer Weisz hasn't had a great game last night, we lose. And, for the most part we played well when we had to. The threes were just waaay off, especially in 1st half. Rust.

 
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