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Username Post: Penn        (Topic#19888)
bradley 
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02-06-17 09:55 PM - Post#220734    

In all likelihood, Penn will play as a desperate team at home in a rivalry game therefore they will be dangerous. The Tigers may need to weather the initial storm. Quakers had a 17-4 lead against Harvard 8 minutes into the game. The Quakers can play a very good aggressive zone defense as they demonstrated during the 2nd half at Jadwin and at their recent game at Harvard. Tigers cannot take this game for granted as they did against Dartmouth. Quakers are better than their record.

Foreman gave the Tigers a tough time and Brodeur probably will probably play much better the second time around against Princeton. Hope is that Tigers play intense defense and Penn will cough up the ball plus you can foul them if you fall behind.

Key for Princeton on offense will probably be moving the ball quickly against the zone and going to the hoop. It will probably be a close game as per the norm. Once again, if the Tigers lose it will be Henderson's fault and if Penn loses, it will be the ref's fault for the 7th time during the past five years or it might somehow be Chip Kelly's fault.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Penn
02-06-17 11:23 PM - Post#220744    
    In response to bradley

Tells you all you need to know that it's the night before the Princeton game and none of us on the Penn side have even cared to discuss this contest.

You won't have a problem with this team. At least, not at this present juncture. Mind you, I most certainly hope that you will, and that your team will stumble badly and ungracefully. Until it hurts so very bad and you'll beg for mercy. And then we'll make a miraculous season comeback, you'll have to face us again in the playoff, and lose a nail biter.

Pardon my daydream.



 
Tiger69 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 01:25 AM - Post#220752    
    In response to penn nation

Pretty Old Testament, eh PN? I've enjoyed reading much of the angst over on the Penn board relieved only by sane remarks of SG and P38. It's definitely time to sack the coach and offer the job to Brian Earl. After all, Donahue has already had over half a season to produce an Ivy Champ. Keep that turnstile turning.

But sadly, for all of Penn fans' impatience with the rebuilding of the basketball program, their team will probably pull itself together for Princeton and make tomorrow's game a nail biter, perhaps even win. The Penn fans hardly deserve that.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 07:45 AM - Post#220755    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
Until it hurts so very bad and you'll beg for mercy.



I love it. Kinda like pulling the trigger until it goes "click"?

 
JadwinGeorge 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 08:57 AM - Post#220757    
    In response to bradley

Totally wrongheaded to suggest the "Tigers took Dartmouth for granted." Dartmouth shot the ball very well and Boudreaux was a workhorse at both ends. Three week layoff was a big factor in the Tigers' slow start. I have to give the BIg Green some credit here. Road games are hard.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 10:05 AM - Post#220768    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:

But sadly, for all of Penn fans' impatience with the rebuilding of the basketball program, their team will probably pull itself together for Princeton and make tomorrow's game a nail biter, perhaps even win. The Penn fans hardly deserve that.



The Penn fans who have been there for the past decade surely deserve it.


 
rbg 
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02-07-17 10:33 AM - Post#220771    
    In response to penn nation

I expect Penn to play hard and keep the game close this evening. Seeing how the Quakers have played in conference, it is hard for me to think that they will be able to get the win.

Coach Donahue has stressed limiting fouls, turnovers and 5-10 minute scoring droughts, as well as competing better late in games. Sadly, the team has not been able to do that in league play.

Losing winnable games at Harvard and Dartmouth were crushing defeats, especially considering the improved play they showed in defeating La Salle.

The defensive effort has generally been present, but the offensive production has been lacking. The offense has been so inconsistent that the are still continued changes to the starting lineup and substitutions 19 games into the season.

For Penn, it seems only Darnell Foreman has showed passion and intensity late in games. Unfortunately, he has not been able to put the team on his back and win several of these close games.

Watching Princeton over the last several weeks, it seems that they have many more talented players, in general, and several who are willing & able to take control of a game late.

 
bradley 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 10:45 AM - Post#220773    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

I agree that Dartmouth played a very good game and they deserve a lot of credit as it showed good character.

I probably used the wrong words that Princeton took Dartmouth for granted but the Tigers did not play with the same level of intensity as they played against Harvard. Just look at the number of times that Cook, Stephens, Cannady etc hit the floor on Saturday vs. Friday night -- loose balls, going to the hoop etc. Additionally, the Tigers challenged virtually every shot taken by Harvard which is another measurement of extra effort. Point being is when you are on the road, a team needs to play at 105% vs. 98% defensive effort. Same holds true for tonight.

The good news is that the Tigers can play defense at a very high level this year as Harvard and Yale always seem to play at. Harvard played very good defense on Saturday similar to what the Tigers experienced against UCAL and VCU --- tough to score.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 01:23 PM - Post#220795    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

Except for our horrible long range shooting we played pretty well Friday as did Dartmouth. Given what they did to Penn the following night, there's more reason to believe that Dartmouth is now a lot stronger than its record suggests. We'll see.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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Re: Penn
02-07-17 02:39 PM - Post#220808    
    In response to Tiger69

I look forward to a really good game. Penn is going to be hungry for that first W and Princeton will not take Penn for granted after two close ones versus Dartmouth and Harvard. Ivy basketball is getting lively gents!
"...no excuses - only results!”


 
SRP 
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02-07-17 03:44 PM - Post#220813    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

It would be nice to put Penn in the ground tonight. Not that enthused about them having a chance for a home playoff game.

Tough D, forcing turnovers, and hitting the boards are the formula for success. Hit corner threes against the zone and take advantage of superior skip passing.

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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02-07-17 04:27 PM - Post#220819    
    In response to SRP

One more team not in contention is fine by me.
"...no excuses - only results!”


 
bradley 
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02-07-17 07:27 PM - Post#220849    
    In response to SRP

Miller is warming up and looks fine. He did a good job on brodeur at jadwin. 90th anniversary at palestra and giving out a free piece of cake.

 
SRP 
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02-07-17 08:31 PM - Post#220866    
    In response to bradley

Up 19-10 with 7:46 left in the first half. Tigers look pretty comfy out there, which would make me nervous except they have been relentless on defense and Penn has been unable to answer, missing the few open treys they've been offered and turning it over a lot. I was pleased to see little things like the quick reaction to blanket Jones on the outside as soon as he came off the bench--good attention to the scouting report.

 
penn nation 
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Penn
02-07-17 08:32 PM - Post#220867    
    In response to SRP

Yes. Very perceptive to notice the only thing Jones is capable of doing out there.

Edited by penn nation on 02-07-17 08:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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02-07-17 08:40 PM - Post#220873    
    In response to penn nation

Up 12 with 3:56 to go. One bad mix-up giving Jones a 4-point play, but if the Tigers can shoot a high percentage of threes like this there should be no problem given the D.

 
SRP 
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02-07-17 08:50 PM - Post#220877    
    In response to SRP

Still up 12 at the half after a Jones three takes the lead down from dominant to solid. Why he keeps getting pulled off the court is not clear to me.

Have to be ready for a second half where the Tigers don't match their 8-12 three-point shooting. They'll have to keep grinding and penetrate more.

 
penn nation 
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02-07-17 08:56 PM - Post#220881    
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  • SRP Said:
Still up 12 at the half after a Jones three takes the lead down from dominant to solid. Why he keeps getting pulled off the court is not clear to me.




Have you seen his defense? If you can find it, give me a call.

 
SRP 
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02-07-17 08:59 PM - Post#220884    
    In response to penn nation

Yeah, he's not too quick on his feet, but at least he's long in the zone. Man-to-man is more of a problem. Similar issue with Betley. This team ought to be playing multiple zones (not just the 1-3-1) IMO so as to keep at least one of those shooters on the floor. But I haven't seen them play as much as others.

 
SRP 
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02-07-17 09:11 PM - Post#220888    
    In response to SRP

As soon as PU stops doubling Brodeur, he goes to work, scoring on two out of three one-on-one opportunities. Gladson's D not stellar there but not awful either--Brodeur is pretty tough. Nice Weisz trey off good ball movement to push the lead back to 13.

 
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