PennFan10
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02-09-17 12:42 PM - Post#221115
In response to Basketball Bruce
SD's rotations are decided in an office and are pretty set in advance it seems. It doesn't have much to do with what happens on the court.
He may make a decision in the office in advance that has a variable to it...i.e. "I will play Sam and Caleb at the 2 and then go with the hot hand" or "I like AJ and Max for 7-9 minutes this game" or "I will bring in Silpe for 2 minutes in each half and then let him sit for 4 games just to mess with him"
It's all speculation but I think his plan for each game is set before tip and that plan varies, sometimes dramatically, from game to game.
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Basketball Bruce
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02-09-17 01:11 PM - Post#221118
In response to PennFan10
And that is why the team is 0-6. No consistency. No confidence. No chemistry. No trust. No wins.
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Penn90
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02-09-17 01:28 PM - Post#221122
In response to Basketball Bruce
It's the random lineups and substitutions that really bothers me. JA did this, too, and it never works. More than anything, it demonstrates that the coach doesn't know what he wants from his players so he doesn't know what he's looking for.
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Cvonvorys
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02-09-17 01:32 PM - Post#221123
In response to Basketball Bruce
I hate to criticize Steve Donahue (or any college coach for that matter) since he certainly knows more about coaching college basketball players than I do, but I must say that many of his substitution decisions have left me scratching my head.
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Basketball Bruce
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02-09-17 01:35 PM - Post#221124
In response to Penn90
Then certainly the players have no idea what he wants from them. Again. I really feel for these kids. It has to be awful for them. Day in day out uncertainty. Any other conference, they transfer.
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Streamers
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02-09-17 01:56 PM - Post#221126
In response to Basketball Bruce
FWIW, I do think we will see at least one soph transfer.
Beyond that, I do see your point, but AJ and Matt are slumping and they are 30 minute players. There are other issues there. Max and MacDonald get their minutes when healthy.
Jones, Hamilton, Silpe, JD (to some extent), Wood, Goodman and Betley do not appear to have defined roles. Matchups clearly play into it, but Hamilton has been used as a defensive specialist, Jones as offense off the bench, and Goodman sees time when we have quick small guards to defend. Beyond that, I cannot figure it out.
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tioga
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02-09-17 02:12 PM - Post#221128
In response to Basketball Bruce
All of which can lead to poor shooting performances, turnovers and overplaying on defense.
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Basketball Bruce
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02-09-17 02:25 PM - Post#221130
In response to Streamers
Anything you can share regarding transfers?
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penn nation
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02-09-17 02:29 PM - Post#221132
In response to Basketball Bruce
A perfect activity during a Northeast snow day--random speculation on who will start jumping ship.
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Basketball Bruce
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02-09-17 02:49 PM - Post#221136
In response to penn nation
I'm not speculating. Streamers broached the subject and I inquired whether there was anything more he knows.
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Streamers
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02-09-17 05:52 PM - Post#221148
In response to Basketball Bruce
Yes, I am the one who speculated on this out loud. I have no specific information and do not want to make it sound like I do. What we all know is that the roster is crowded now and we likely have at least two freshman coming in who will see real minutes and only Matt leaving as of now. Any one of the underclassmen who do not have a defined role and values PT over the Penn degree is a possibility and there are enough of them for me to think the probability of one taking off is high. I mentioned the sophs only because that is the year the kids both know exatly where they stand and still have time to put in 2 years with another program.
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SteveChop
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02-09-17 06:11 PM - Post#221152
In response to Basketball Bruce
The question is whether their roles/PT have been clarified TO THE PLAYERS. While we may not be able to understand the plan, if THEY DO and have bought into it, fine. They obviously DO KNOW how they have performed at practice (we generally don't)vis-Ã -vis the expectations of the coaches and therefore may understand the potential effects of that on PT.
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SomeGuy
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02-09-17 09:16 PM - Post#221171
In response to PennFan10
I think with Wood and Goodman it is matchup specific. Goodman didn't play in either Princeton game, and Wood only got a cup of coffee in the first game. So that one was actually kind of predictable. Sometimes I see the matchup choice, sometimes I don't. I do think Wood and Goodman aren't good choices against Princeton, though sometimes it is counterintuitive who will fit (Hamilton, for example, seems to excel against them despite having some tendencies that suggest he wouldn't).
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SomeGuy
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02-09-17 09:19 PM - Post#221172
In response to Basketball Bruce
I think it's the opposite though -- selfish play gets you benched. So the incentive should go the other way (which could be an issue, too).
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SomeGuy
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02-09-17 09:23 PM - Post#221173
In response to SteveChop
This is an important point. Lots of teams function this way, both at this level (right now, Harvard and Columbia look to be playoff teams with the exact same approach to substitutions, and Princeton's rotation got solidified mainly by injury) and at higher levels (as we've seen watching Pitino do with Tony Hicks all year).
The players may understand a lot more than we do. It's a question of communication.
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UPIA1968
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02-10-17 10:14 PM - Post#221291
In response to SomeGuy
the reason for the random substitutions is because beyond AJ and Matt the other players contribute randomly. That is the case with ordinary players. Steve has to keep looking for the hot hand because he can't tell who will contribute. Stars and solid players contribute every night. These kind of players don't.
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Buckeye Quake
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02-10-17 10:36 PM - Post#221295
In response to UPIA1968
Matt who?
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Quakers03
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02-10-17 11:02 PM - Post#221297
In response to UPIA1968
the reason for the random substitutions is because beyond AJ and Matt the other players contribute randomly. That is the case with ordinary players. Steve has to keep looking for the hot hand because he can't tell who will contribute. Stars and solid players contribute every night. These kind of players don't.
So putting in season-long cold streak shooter Jackson Donahue with 5 mins to go after sitting much of the second half vs CU made sense to you? I get that from a fundamental standpoint he's a better defender than Sam, but when the opponent can just shoot right over his small frame what difference does it make? I also know that Steve was counting on Jackson's long range ability and his performance has had a major impact on the frustrating year (if he's hitting shots everything else opens up) but at some point when you're trying to win the game you need to understand what's going on. Kid missed wide open shot after wide open shot and then immediately turns it over and causes points defensively.
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UPIA1968
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02-12-17 04:07 PM - Post#221572
In response to Buckeye Quake
Matt Howard
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