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Username Post: Penn v Princeton        (Topic#19892)
PennFan10 
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02-08-17 03:58 PM - Post#221015    
    In response to SRP

and thus the strategy that ended our season.....

 
Buckeye Quake 
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02-08-17 04:18 PM - Post#221017    
    In response to PennFan10


Is anything ever Brodeur's fault or is it always someone else?

 
PennFan10 
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02-08-17 04:23 PM - Post#221018    
    In response to Buckeye Quake

Are you asking me that question? I hope not. Go back and read my comments after the last 3 games as I believe I said "AJ sucked...". And most recently (as in last night) I think he was pulled because he got beat by Miller down the floor for an easy layup. AJ can't pass out of the double team, now the weakside guys haven't helped, but he has turned it over, taken bad shots, and generally been frustrated the last 3 games.

 
Buckeye Quake 
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02-08-17 04:47 PM - Post#221021    
    In response to PennFan10


Actually no it was directed to those who have decided that any shortcomings he may have must be caused by someone else. Although I must admit I haven't heard any Kevin McHale comparisons lately.
Anyone ever give any thought to the freshman wall and how it actually is a thing. The kid looks like a classic example to me.

 
Quakers03 
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02-08-17 05:28 PM - Post#221026    
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I have a hard time agreeing that he has hit a freshman wall when in between the Ivy games he put up 35 at LaSalle. It sure looks like a scheme issue to me and while he certainly takes blame, it's up to the coach to help show him the way. I don't know if that's Nat Graham, Ira or Steve himself, but it is obvious that we have no answers. When the Princeton fans are noting that we do the same thing over and over again, I'd rather point to the coach than the freshman. If he's making the same mistakes next year it's a different story, but for now it's up to the coaching to help get him through this and scheme back.

 
PennFan10 
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02-08-17 05:34 PM - Post#221027    
    In response to Quakers03

I like when they started to post up AJ at the elbow, it's much harder to double someone at the elbow as he can see the floor better. I'd like to see more of this. Generally, though, they need a better plan against the defensive rotations.

 
Buckeye Quake 
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02-08-17 05:58 PM - Post#221028    
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I could have scored thirty against LaSalle. The kid looks tired and at times overmatched. Just like the coach.

 
Buckeye Quake 
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02-08-17 06:01 PM - Post#221029    
    In response to PennFan10


Like Mike Tyson said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". What they need is talent and a coach who knows how to use it.

 
penn nation 
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Penn v Princeton
02-08-17 06:22 PM - Post#221030    
    In response to Buckeye Quake

He hasn't hit a wall in the sense that no opponent has really been able to shut him down when playing him straight up. He is a very, very tough matchup.

But he hasn't yet figured out how to quickly get rid of the ball when a double team is approaching. Some of the blame here is on the players and coaching staff (you'd think this would be item #1 on their agenda every practice) but AJ has plenty of room for improvement here is well. It's no wonder he gets run down when constantly double and even triple teamed with little support from his teammates.

Edited by penn nation on 02-08-17 06:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Buckeye Quake 
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02-08-17 07:16 PM - Post#221037    
    In response to penn nation


The whole program needs improvement. He's not immune from that. Don't great players make those around him/her better? Brodeur is far from great as so many try to make him out to be. He's a nice player with great upside.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-08-17 07:22 PM - Post#221039    
    In response to Quakers03

I think the feshman wall may be a big part of what is going on. Even getting beaten down the court by Miller is something that just wasn't happening earlier in the season. I think the back to backs may be an issue as well -- we haven't shown up for either Saturday night game, really. And we still seemed hungover for Princeton. Could be that this grind is just different from anything AJ has experienced before.



 
SomeGuy 
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02-08-17 07:25 PM - Post#221040    
    In response to Buckeye Quake

While I think your general point about the wall may be spot on, I think Howard's essential absence may be a factor here. AJ and Howard have carried us all year. Just AJ may not be enough. Though, as I pointed out earlier, we actually were ahead of Dartmouth while AJ was on the floor.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-08-17 07:27 PM - Post#221042    
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Another thing that may be hurting us is that the schedule has put Yale and Harvard on our Friday nights so far. Seems like we've given a decent punch to the stronger team on the Fridays, and then laid an egg on those Ivy Saturday nights.

 
final479 
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02-08-17 09:21 PM - Post#221061    
    In response to Buckeye Quake

A lot of us are guilty of overrating the talent in the program.

My real fear is that Steve Donahue is a coach in the Chip Kelly mold, who insists his players play his "system" rather than adapting the system to fit the talent. I understand all of the analytics argument, but playing a Houston Rockets/Golden State Warriors offense without the requisite (shooting) talent is ridiculous.

 
Penn7277 
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02-09-17 12:21 AM - Post#221084    
    In response to final479

I agree. That's what i was trying to say in my last few posts.

 
Penndemonium 
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02-09-17 05:27 AM - Post#221090    
    In response to Penn7277

Why are we talking about a Freshman wall when our senior barely scored at all in those games? Is it possible that was the bigger story here?

 
PennFan10 
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02-09-17 11:31 AM - Post#221102    
    In response to penn nation

Of the many other issues enumerated on here we saw zero Caleb Wood on Tuesday after getting the start in both games last weekend. Dev Goodman was a garbage minutes player after being a key part of the rotation in the previous 3 games.

Hard for players to get any confidence on either end of the floor when their minutes are so volatile.

 
Basketball Bruce 
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02-09-17 11:57 AM - Post#221107    
    In response to PennFan10

When players have no confidence on the court and are constantly looking over their shoulder for their sub, it creates players who are playing not to make mistakes. I think it also creates an environment of selfish play. How can it not? Every player knows they can go from starter to bench at any time. They have to make the most of every minute they are on the court which usually translates to taking lots of shots, even if they aren't good shots. The unending subs are maddening. As someone mentioned earlier, how ridiculous that after a 4 point play, Sam is taken off the court. The constant whistling and over coaching during the game also has to be so distracting. I really feel for these kids. They look beaten and embarrassed. How can they trust this coach? And how can they ever develop any chemistry when each player has to have a "me" attitude?

 
palestra38 
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02-09-17 12:06 PM - Post#221110    
    In response to Basketball Bruce

It would appear to me that Matt M gets playing time without taking any shots or getting rebounds. So the PT is not based on what happens in 10 minutes. What it is based on is not clear to me.

 
Basketball Bruce 
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02-09-17 12:30 PM - Post#221114    
    In response to palestra38

I suspect it's not clear to the players either.

 
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