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Chet Forte 
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02-07-17 10:08 PM - Post#220918    

So how do we see the weekend shaping up after Princeton's convincing win tonight? I was surprised that Brodeur wasn't more effective. Also, for Princeton Cook had a very quiet night. We will have a size advantage over Penn but not Princeton. It will be interesting to see how Engles moves the chess pieces around.


 
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02-07-17 10:38 PM - Post#220925    
    In response to Chet Forte

Penn out rebounded Princeton and got to the line a few more times. Otherwise Princeton defended them extremely effectively. Despite the rankings, both games are winnable, princeton is of course a much steeper hill to climb, but 1-1 with a win away at Penn would be a good achievement for this team this weekend.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-07-17 10:49 PM - Post#220927    
    In response to Columbia Alum

We have stretches in which we look absolutely fantastic, as in the first half against Harvard and Brown. Other times not so much. To my untrained eye we seem to be our best when we play fast and aggressively look either to drive or to take the outside shot. When we slow down the pace, or have guys on the court who do not look for their shot, then we look like we are playing in quicksand.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-08-17 12:31 AM - Post#220939    
    In response to Chet Forte

Princeton-Penn was not a very exciting game. Neither team displayed an inside game and were content with shooting outside jump shots.. Princeton doubled teamed Brodeur thereby minimizing his production and none of Brodeur's teammates picked up the slack. Princeton shot the ball very well from the outside which was the reason it won rather easily. Weisz, Stephens and Cannady are all good outside shooters and Stephens can also make his way to the basket. Obviously, Penn has a talented young big in Brodeur, but it would seem that overall Columbia has a distinct advantage over Penn in the frontcourt with its big foursome of Petrasek, Meisner, Coby, Voss as well as the smaller but very talented Hunter. The Lions probably will attempt to exploit their height advantage up front by starting most plays with Hickman, Smith and Davis attacking the basket.

 
cc66 
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02-09-17 01:23 PM - Post#221121    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

The starting lineup has been posted, with Hunter instead of Killingsworth. Depending upon how they decide to play Brodeur, Killingsworth might be substituted pretty quickly.

Let's also hope that Tape's ankle is better. We're going to need everyone upfront against Princeton.

We've got to win at least one game this weekend. The travel partners are all split, with one team in the top four and one in the bottom. We had better take Penn, because I wouldn't want to rest our chances on 1-1 split on a victory against Princeton away.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-09-17 09:25 PM - Post#221174    
    In response to cc66

I love Hunter's athleticism and defense, but his lack of a midrange and outside game is a real issue. I also think he is hesitating in lookIng for his shot. I see Luke as having a big game against Penn where we have a big size advantage. We will have to go big to match up against all of Princeton's bigs. I am also worrying about the officiating in two venues where the home town calls are plentiful.


 
cc66 
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02-09-17 10:20 PM - Post#221177    
    In response to Chet Forte

Hunter's outside game, like Meisner's FTs, is something that they are going to have work on a lot in the offseason. In the meantime, given the way Killingsworth and Adlesh have come on, I don't think Hunter will be in there for very long. It's like what Killingsworth said in Spec about his becoming more aggressive. If they don't have to guard you, then they can play 5 against 4.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-09-17 10:51 PM - Post#221179    
    In response to cc66

I didn't know that Tape injured his ankle. Do we know the extent of his injury? Also, I am puzzled by the Pomeroy ratings. Why does he rate Penn so much higher than Columbia, Cornell and Brown? Is it based upon Penn's performance in its nonconference games?

 
penn nation 
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02-09-17 11:13 PM - Post#221180    
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  • Columbia 37P6 Said:
Also, I am puzzled by the Pomeroy ratings. Why does he rate Penn so much higher than Columbia, Cornell and Brown? Is it based upon Penn's performance in its nonconference games?



For sure. Penn played some tough competition and even won a couple of games against decent teams OOC.

[SPOILER ALERT] Those were all games where the opposition played Brodeur man on man. Quite often he burned them. Doubt we'll see any of that this weekend, unless you want to give Penn a chance to pull off an upset.


 
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02-09-17 11:27 PM - Post#221182    
    In response to penn nation

I wouldn't call penn winning at home an upset, I think we are still maybe 4-5pt underdogs.

 
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02-10-17 12:18 AM - Post#221184    
    In response to Columbia Alum

If you've been following Penn of late, it will be an upset no matter what the line says. Not that the oddsmakers have been getting Penn right of late, either.

 
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02-10-17 12:45 AM - Post#221185    
    In response to Chet Forte

Princeton generally only plays one big at a time, and most games the bigs play less than a total of 40 minutes (so they often go small for a few minutes). What Princeton has is a lot of big guards who can be very tough to match up against.

 
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02-10-17 12:14 PM - Post#221211    
    In response to SomeGuy

Lions' defensive strategy against P'ton should be interesting. Would our zone be predicted to work better or worse against their strong 3 pt shooting and traditional offense? If not, can we play 30 seconds of effective man-to- man?

Edited by LionFan on 02-10-17 12:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
cc66 
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02-10-17 12:47 PM - Post#221215    
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http://www.nycbuckets.com/2017/02/columbia-hold s-o...

The above makes reference to Tape's ankle injury. Although it does not clarify how serious the injury is, that is apparently why he did not play last weekend.

Penn's Pomeroy ratings reflect an overhang from their preseason OOC schedule. If you convert their recent losses to Pomeroy (8 slots a point, with a 8 pt swing for home and away), they have actually been playing in the KP 275-300 range. We just have to double Brodeur and make sure they don't reverse that pattern tonight.

 
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02-10-17 12:55 PM - Post#221216    
    In response to cc66

Yes but I would not just go with their in-conference performance. It could be representative of their current ability, or it could just be a temporary and fleeting dip in form. Not sure doubling brodeur or not going man to man alone will get us the W. I'll bet that their season from this point on will be better than a KP 275 team.

 
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