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1LotteryPick1969 
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02-08-17 04:24 PM - Post#221019    

Over on Voyforums, the statement has been made that unless "Princeton opens up the wallet", Henderson is gone after this year.

Somehow, I don't see it. I don't think Princeton coaches are quite as attractive these days. Carmody never quite succeeded at Northwestern, Robinson is out of coaching, JT III is not succeeding at Georgetown the way the fans would like, Johnson and Brennan just OK at their current positions. Chris Mooney seems to have reached his recruiting apex at Richmond.

We shall see.

 
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Re: Mitch Henderson future
02-08-17 05:26 PM - Post#221025    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Well, even if you take the Princeton out of it, he's established himself as reasonably successful coach who could probably make a lateralish move at a considerable increase in pay.
Whether that is "worth it" to him or what his aspirations are is unknown. He's good enough to be at Princeton for awhile - that's not a bad gig, as opposed to the uncertainty elsewhere.

As it is, I think there has been somewhat of a convergence between how Princeton plays and the rest of basketball. Princeton is less like classic Princeton, and some Princeton concepts are very mainstream.

 
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02-08-17 06:56 PM - Post#221031    
    In response to umbrellaman

There is one poster on the Ivy sports board who commented about Mitch leaving and no one else has supported the comment. The name he uses on that board is Go Green, so it's not likely he's got much of an inside connection on Princeton sports. In the same thread he also said "If Penn ever gets good in basketball again, don't be surprised if the basketball team starts outdrawing the football team in attendance." Seems like a poster who's frustrated by Dartmouth's slow start in Ivy play.


 
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02-08-17 07:05 PM - Post#221032    
    In response to umbrellaman

I agree with both previous posts. Don't think the Princeton pedigree is all that valuable, but a lateral move for significant salary increase would seem to be there for him.

I for one, and I would think, most, would like him to retire where he is. I think he's proven himself on and off the court.,

 
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02-08-17 07:25 PM - Post#221041    
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When/if MH leaves there will be a long line to replace him. Most likely Brian Earl will be at the front unless he gets an offer he can't refuse to leave Cornell first.

 
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02-08-17 07:52 PM - Post#221045    
    In response to Tiger69

The last time an Ivy team poached a coach from another league team, it didn't work out all that well for either team.

 
bradley 
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02-08-17 09:17 PM - Post#221058    
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Henderson is only 41 years old with 11 years as an assistant coach in the Big Ten plus his 6 years at Princeton. I always thought that he would take the next level job, if offered, after this year as he might be very marketable if the Tigers finished as a top 50 team which will not happen. Another factor could be if he believed that the Tigers would regress over the next few years in light of Harvard and Yale recruits.

It was somewhat striking that Earl took the Cornell job. Based on their relationship, I am sure that Earl touched base with Mitch to see if he planned on staying or leaving Princeton prior to accepting the Cornell job. My gut is that he stays at Princeton if he is offered reasonable compensation rather than making a lateral move for more money. If he is offered the next level as to competition with money, he may well decide to leave.

I would hope that Princeton tries to retain him. It is better to have consistency in the program. Coach H is not perfect but there is more downside than upside risk in losing him. I would not be surprised if he thinks that the Tigers will be competitive over the next few years.

 
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02-08-17 09:20 PM - Post#221060    
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  • bradley Said:
It was somewhat striking that Earl took the Cornell job. Based on their relationship, I am sure that Earl touched base with Mitch to see if he planned on staying or leaving Princeton prior to accepting the Cornell job.



Interesting thought.

I just hope he doesn't go on TV saying he "love love loves Princeton basketball".


 
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02-08-17 10:13 PM - Post#221073    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

I have often wondered if Sydney Johnson regrets departing from Princeton. He was really an important figure in rescuing the Tigers from the damage of the Joe Scott era. He recruited well, the team responded to him and he had the opportunity to establish himself as a long-term successor to Coach Carril. Then again, maybe Fairfield basketball has become as special to him as Princeton hoops is to the Tiger faithful on this board.

 
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02-08-17 11:44 PM - Post#221082    
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This is just the latest display of a long held, odd obsession with Tigers. Among other manifestations, he also thinks Princeton erred in cutting ties with Roger Hughes and every year he pushes the "Courtney Banghart is about to leave" meme. He has no inside info.

Mitch may leave at some point (I doubt this year), but I'm not worried about MM finding a good replacement if and when.

 
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02-08-17 11:54 PM - Post#221083    
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Penn poaching anyone is a loser for everyone.

 
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02-09-17 09:37 AM - Post#221095    
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Unlike with Sydney, Princeton (and Yale, for that matter) have stared down the Harvard recruiting machine and carved out quality talent year after year. When Sydney was making his decision, Harvard was an on-coming freight train, and it was hard to say whether any team could keep up. The Crimson is still winning most battles with other Ivies (see Djuricic), but the overlap isn't huge and the other Ivies are doing a great job in the pool where Harvard isn't playing (see Much) or securing talent that Harvard couldn't guarantee a spot early enough (see Desrosiers).

All that being said, if Princeton hasn't changed its stance that coaches not make more than the highest paid faculty member, well, there are going to be a hundred jobs or so out there that can double Mitch's salary just like Fairfield did for Sydney. And a couple straight Top 75 finishes with a tourney berth will bring on interest from more than a few schools in need.

I don't think Mitch needs to be desperate to leave, but I wouldn't blame the guy for taking his shot at a payday in what is a fickle industry.

 
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02-09-17 11:26 AM - Post#221101    
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  • sparman Said:
This is just the latest display of a long held, odd obsession with Tigers. Among other manifestations, he also thinks Princeton erred in cutting ties with Roger Hughes and every year he pushes the "Courtney Banghart is about to leave" meme. He has no inside info.





Hardly the first time a Princeton guy has taken issue with my posts.

http://goprincetontigers.blogspot.com/2014/11/defe...

And I gave up the "Banghart's leaving" a while ago. My understanding that she was indeed offered bigger positions (which ones are escaping me), but elected to stay in Princeton. I expect her to be the female Pete Carril.

That being said, it would have been nice if she had recognized Wielgus last month.

 
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02-09-17 11:58 AM - Post#221108    
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Somehow, I do not envision Coach staying at Princeton for his entire coaching career. He seems like a guy who is driven to succeed and what I have heard, he is pretty intense. I watched him pull Weisz after a foolish pass against Penn even with the game comfortably in hand to send a message.

For a guy with his athletic ability to even play a few games in the NBA as well as being drafted out of H.S. as a baseball player suggests that he got the most out of his God given abilities. He may well want the next challenge at a higher level program and I think that it is less likely that he goes lateral just for the money although you never know. He is also a Midwest guy which may be a factor dependent on the job opportunity.

For his detractors, check back 3 years if and after he leaves to see if you were happy that he headed out of town. Princeton AD should definitely try to keep him if at all possible from my perspective.

 
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Re: Mitch Henderson future
02-09-17 12:52 PM - Post#221116    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Obviously, there are no guarantees in life, but I seem to remember, Gary Walters said something addressing this when MH was hired, because a lot of people were a little unpleasantly surprised SJ bolted so quickly. I don't remember the exact phrasing, but the subtext I took away was "Don't worry: this new hire is someone who cares more about Princeton basketball than a cool half-mil."

 
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02-09-17 01:13 PM - Post#221119    
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  • mrjames Said:
All that being said, if Princeton hasn't changed its stance that coaches not make more than the highest paid faculty

like at least one other Ivy which shall be nameless.

I don't know a thing about Henderson's past, other than his excellence as an athlete in an Indiana prep school, but I have wondered if he does not have some additional source of income.




 
Bryan 
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02-09-17 02:25 PM - Post#221131    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Do you wonder the same thing about all Ivy men's basketball coaches (other than Amaker)? If not, what is different about MH relative to the others?

 
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02-09-17 07:53 PM - Post#221164    
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No problem. Just endow a chair for some professor in, say, machine learning at $500,000/yr. Instant lift of the coaching salary cap.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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02-09-17 08:42 PM - Post#221168    
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  • Bryan Said:
Do you wonder the same thing about all Ivy men's basketball coaches (other than Amaker)? If not, what is different about MH relative to the others?



Hmmm. Hard to explain.

But first, I love SRP's solution to the salary cap.

I know nothing about the coaches at other Ivy schools, just Princeton. With Henderson, I have never read any of the hard scrabble narratives of the other Princeton coaches. Carril growing up poor in coal country, Carmody one of 11 children, Sydney Johnson raised by the single father. True JTIII is a different story, but we all knew the story. Henderson's story starts in the private school in Indiana. So I just kinda wondered. Could be dead wrong.


 
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02-09-17 08:51 PM - Post#221169    
    In response to SRP

Endowed chairs run $4m+ so that would be a bargain!

I don't know what makes Coach Henderson tick but if he wants to maximize his income he will need to move on. Princeton has lost a few excellent coaches to better financial opportunities, most notably in men's hoops and Bill Tierney in lax, but also managed to keep a lot of long-term, very talented coaches in high profile sports (Courtney Banghart, Scott Bradley, Chris Sailer) who seem to value the facilities, institutional support, culture of success and stability of coaching at Princeton.

After his famous "love, love, love" TV interview I thought for sure that Sydney Johnson was in the latter group!


 
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02-12-17 04:27 PM - Post#221579    
    In response to Tiger81

I wouldn't mind Mitch leaving and being replaced by Kerry Kittles. Think about it . Successful at Villanova? Successful pro? Immune from the ghost of Pete Carril (though he's not dead) that infects everyone's thinking at PU? Might even go deep into the tournament for once...nah!

 
Tiger69 
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02-12-17 07:35 PM - Post#221607    
    In response to joe nassau

Jury out on Kittles. Never has coached before. What has been his impact on team this year? It will be interesting to see what Mitch does with him after this season. I have no problem with "ghost of Carril". He created a line of successful coaches who understand and are sensitive to the demands on Ivy athletes. Kittles may have much to offer as an assistant. But, there is no reason to believe that he is ready to be a head coach -- especially at an Ivy.

 
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02-13-17 11:31 AM - Post#221693    
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Pre-game at the Palestra, Kittles was on the floor in work out clothes and was active with several of the players. Players seem receptive to his hands on coaching. Very unlikely that Princeton would turn to him if Henderson leaves. Princeton will reach out their tree line in all likelihood.

If, big if, the Tigers finish strong, Coach may well get an opportunity to step up on the next coaching rung. I would not be the least bit surprised if he gets a step up opportunity besides lateral financial opportunities. He is 41 years old with 11 years Big Ten experience and 6 years head coaching experience so a step up school may take a run at him. He may not feel under the gun with Stephens, Cannady, Bell and others coming back but the timing is probably right if he has designs on getting a big time coaching opportunity down the road.

 
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02-13-17 01:16 PM - Post#221719    
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Northwestern looks like a lock for its first NCAA trip ever. If that happens and they win a tourney game or two, Chris Collins might be poached. And then...?

 
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02-13-17 01:42 PM - Post#221722    
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I hope Mitch stays at Princeton for a long time. He's a good coach and represents the University very well based on the handful of times I've heard him speak. If I had a son who was good enough to play D-1 college basketball I'd be happy if he played for Mitch, whether he stays at Princeton or moves elsewhere.

 
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02-13-17 05:41 PM - Post#221737    
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This whole thing depends on what Henderson wants out of life. Very few people are absolutely determined to maximize their income. Most consider it to be only one factor among many that determine a successful life and career. That said, there's no denying that money is a value proxy. Henderson has had his program at or near the top of the conference for a few seasons now. He's human, so it probably grates on him that he's paid significantly less than other coaches in the league. Even if it doesn't happen now, that might eventually prompt him to depart.

 
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Mitch Henderson future
02-13-17 06:01 PM - Post#221743    
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I don't see Collins leaving after this season. There are only two seniors on the squad (Taphorn, a good 6th man pressed into starting because of Lindsey's mono, and Lumpkin). This team should be even stronger next year.

Edited by penn nation on 02-13-17 06:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-27-17 10:30 PM - Post#223958    
    In response to Tiger81

Just read an article on Mizzou Basketball (my wife's nephew is on the coaching staff under Kim Anderson).

Anderson most likely will be losing his job at the end of the season and the writer previously discussed potential replacements, including 8 candidates with experience at major programs.

Today he looked at 9 mid majors who "could be on the move", not for the Mizzou job, but just on the move, and Henderson was on the list.

So he is on the radar, not that it means anyone will want him, or he would be interested in leaving.

 
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02-27-17 11:50 PM - Post#223969    
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I wouldn't mind or begrudge Mitch moving on. But it would make Earl's departure even more painful (if he had only waited one more year...).

That said, I'm sure several fine candidates would emerge. When MH was hired, there were at least two great alternatives in Earl and Jim Engles, who transformed NJIT from a walking punchline into a respectable team.

 
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Re: Mitch Henderson future
02-28-17 12:34 AM - Post#223971    
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If we want to know what's on MH's mind, his email is on the most recent communication about tourney ticks from the Friends of Princeton Bball (to which I assume all you fellow Tigers belong ).

Speaking of Tourney ticks, unless I misunderstood what I just received from the FofPBB, the alumni of each university in the field are entitled to buy up to a whopping 177 seats. How many does the "cathedral of college basketball" seat? What happens to the rest that the four participants don't gobble up? I hope and assume that the rest are offered in equal amounts to the undergrads of each participant. If not, I'll be watching with much more interest the battle for the #4 seed.

 
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02-28-17 06:40 AM - Post#223975    
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I certainly would not begrudge Coach Henderson if he opted to make more money or move up the college basketball food chain from Princeton. But I would hate to see him go because he would be very hard to replace. Coaching in the Ivies and at Princeton in particular requires an unusual balance of skills and Coach H has them. Recruiting and developing players who want to play Princeton's selfless-interchangeable- parts style in an increasingly deep and competitive league is an enormous challenge. This year's performance in the wake of the Caruso/Brase losses, the departure of Coach Earl and a significant change in style of play from last year has been a masterful display of coaching and leadership by Coach H. All we have to do is look at the Joe Scott debacle or the recent ebb of Penn's program to see how fragile the formula for success can be. But for the moment I want to savor what has become a very special team that still has several big games to play in the next two weeks.

 
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02-28-17 10:15 AM - Post#223994    
    In response to Tiger81

I too would hate to see him leave. But I was blindsided by the departure of Sydney Johnson, so I am trying to prepare myself.

I would not be at all surprised if Kittles acquired a head coaching position after what seems to have been a positive year for him.

 
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02-28-17 11:11 AM - Post#223998    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

You guys are killing me with this thread. Can we please focus on the incredibly exciting season and the games in front of us and cut out the wild and unhelpful speculations?

Go Tigers!

 
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02-28-17 11:22 AM - Post#224000    
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Amen, we have enough to deal with in the next couple of weeks to worry about such hypotheticals.

 
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02-28-17 11:34 AM - Post#224004    
    In response to Tiger69

So don't read the thread.....

I have enjoyed the commentary of those who have replied. It's the only place on the web for conjecture about the team.

Meanwhile, I'm as excited as anyone about the present scenario, and I will be driving up from Baltimore for senior night.

 
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02-28-17 12:53 PM - Post#224021    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Point made, LP. It recently dawned on me that I'm spending far too much time reading and responding to posts instead of enjoying my surroundings here in sunny Mexico. No business of mine what others wish to discuss, though. Right now I'll focus on this coming weekend and the Tourney.

GO TIGERS!

 
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02-28-17 01:00 PM - Post#224024    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

PS. Do I correctly infer from your posting name that your birth date came up #1in the 69 draft lottery?

Gen. Hershey pulled mine (May 25) out 361st, thus ending my strategy to be schooled as an army cook.

 
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02-28-17 01:17 PM - Post#224025    
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Correct!!! Bad night.

 
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02-28-17 01:20 PM - Post#224027    
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Also in the separate later lottery of letters of the alphabet for tie breaking, my last name first letter came up #1. So I have never met anyone with a lower number.

 
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02-28-17 05:12 PM - Post#224045    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Glad you are still with us.

 
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