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Username Post: Lions Trail Penn 28-37 at Halftime        (Topic#19911)
Columbia 37P6 
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02-10-17 09:07 PM - Post#221262    

Unimaginably poor performance on all scores by the Lions in the first half as Penn takes advantage of Columbia's multiple substitution system to take control early. Not to second guess the coach too much, but what was Petrasek doing on the bench early in this contest and why were Coby and Voss on the floor instead of Meisner. And when Meisner is on the floor why isn't he playing near the basket. And, finally why isn't Hickman driving to the basket. Penn is killing us on the offensive board because our guys are not in synch with one another. If the Lions want to win this game, they obviously need to start and Petrasek, Meisner, Hickman, Smith and Hunter in the second half and keep them on the floor intact.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-10-17 09:35 PM - Post#221274    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Lions playing better in second half, but Coby is missing everything and does not belong on the floor. Is Engles saving Petrasek for Princeton. Lion may win if right guys stay on the floor for rest of game.

 
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02-10-17 10:31 PM - Post#221292    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Lions closed the gap completely but couldn't keep up with Penn, lost by about 8.
Coby's play still inexplicable after some earlier good games.
west coast fan


 
Columbia Alum 
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02-10-17 10:32 PM - Post#221293    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

We 100% deserved to lose today. Miserable performance giving up defensive boards, terrible 2pt FG%. Our bigs were miserable. Rodney still can't shoot, too easy to guard him or just ignore him when he's far from the basket. Time to start meisner or adlesh in his place. Hickman and smith played well, Petrasek hit his 3s and FTs but barely did anything under the basket. The rest simply didn't carry their weight, Coby and voss were especially bad.

 
cc66 
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02-10-17 10:39 PM - Post#221296    
    In response to Columbia Alum

An inexplicably poor performance that probably cost us a position in the tournament. Unless it was just jitters on the road, it's hard to understand why we couldn't rebound and hit anything under the basket.

Now we have to beat Penn at home and both Dartmouth and Brown away to end 7-7.

 
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02-10-17 11:21 PM - Post#221305    
    In response to cc66

6-8 might be good enough for 4th.

I thought Smith had a nice game. Despite the points I don't think Luke had a good game - was beaten numerous times on D and even worse on the boards. Then again the whole team took a pounding on the boards.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-11-17 12:28 AM - Post#221314    
    In response to cc66

Hopefully tonight's debacle will not cost us a position in the tournament, but it does make one wonder why our coaching staff doesn't keep our three best players on the floor for 35+ minutes, Princeton style, and stop making all those confusing player substitutions which slow us down, particularly in the early part of the first half. Those multiple substitutions make it more difficult for the starting five to meld into a cohesive unit. and improve from game to game After all, we are midway thru the Ivy League season so it is unclear what is accomplished by not using our three star players more. Finally, Hunter obviously doesn't belong on the outside on offense as he is a slasher and not a shooter. Slashers need to wreck havoc by using their athleticism near the basket, scoring, rebounding and passing from up close. Hunter is uncomfortable outside and regardless what offense you are using he needs to be moved inside where he can do the many things that slashers do to score points. Move Hunter inside and he will start producing on offense. If you are not going to use Hunter that way, then play someone else in his stead who is, in fact, comfortable outside such as Davis, Adlesh or Killingsworth. Let's defeat Princeton!

 
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02-11-17 11:50 AM - Post#221346    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

This was a classic trap game. Penn was winless and desperate. We weren't and didn't want it as badly. Coby is better off the bench than as a starter. Luke and Mike have to be on the court a minimum of 34 minutes. I also,think that Lukas should be playing more minutes. Hickman has fallen off from his OOC performances. He doesn't seem to get his shot or to drive. Hunter has no midrange or outside game and everybody knows it. This is where we are really missing Castlin.


 
SomeGuy 
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02-11-17 11:58 AM - Post#221352    
    In response to TheLine

I don't necessarily disagree watching Smith, but this is a couple of league losses where you all have said he was the only guy out there playing well, and while he got his points he shot under 35% while taking the most shots on the team. It could be that the low percentage comes from him having to do it all, but sometimes a team is less efficient precisely because one guy is trying to do it all.

Regardless, I don't think this is the awful loss everyone seems to think. Yes, 7-7 would virtually guarantee Columbia a playoff spot, but that's because Columbia is the only team with a reasonable path to get there. 6-8 likely does it too with Penn's bad start. This was a game where Columbia had a reasonable shot to win, but at best it was a 50/50 game.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-11-17 01:10 PM - Post#221358    
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Cornell nearly defeated Princeton last night giving hope to Columbia's chances this evening. Even if Columbia doesn't win this tonight, it will remain ahead of Cornell, Penn, Brown and Dartmouth for the fourth place spot in the tournament. If Dartmouth defeats Brown and Penn defeats Cornell, it seems that Columbia would have a two game lead over all four of those schools. If Cornell takes down Penn and/or Brown defeats Dartmouth, Columbia will have a one game lead over Cornell and/or Dartmouth. My predicts are Brown will defeat Dartmouth, Cornell will defeat Penn and Harvard will defeat Yale.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-11-17 02:17 PM - Post#221368    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Funny -- I would go exactly the opposite on each of those games! Though Yale is the only one where I would call it anything but a toss up. I think a young Harvard team on the road will have trouble, particularly after having to really turn on the jets in the second half to beat a much weaker team.

 
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02-11-17 02:59 PM - Post#221375    
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Harvard plays like a hundred guys, so energy shouldn't be a problem. But I like Yale at home.

 
Old Bear 
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02-11-17 03:02 PM - Post#221377    
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Harvard goes 10 deep, with 2 Srs. and 8 Fr. and So. They have 5 guys, who have been starters in past years and are not part of the rotation. The dressed 20 last night.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-11-17 04:16 PM - Post#221389    
    In response to Old Bear

Amaker is going deeper with Baker, Perez and Miller. 6 frosh played last night + Zena, Corey, Siyani, Perez and Miller.

 
TheLine 
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02-11-17 04:41 PM - Post#221393    
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Back to Columbia - any thoughts on whether Princeton is a good or bad match-up for us? I'm not sure. I think they will give Smith and Hickman fits, on the other hand Princeton has been playing with a mostly short lineup that some combination of Petresek/Meisner/Coby could potentially exploit.


 
cc66 
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02-11-17 04:59 PM - Post#221395    
    In response to TheLine

Big and quick do present problems for Smith and Hickman, because they can't shoot over big guards, and they can't drive on quick forwards. Petrasek, Meisner, and Coby (if he rebounds from last night, where a cut on his face might have affected his performance) might make a modest dent in P's defense. But I still expect us to lose by at least 10.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-11-17 06:37 PM - Post#221405    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Didn't mean to suggest that depth would be an issue for Harvard. I think experience is, playing against a better team on the road. I think they are more likely to blink tonight.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-11-17 10:28 PM - Post#221443    
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Shows what I know! Chambers definitely got the best of the battle of senior point guards!

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-11-17 10:38 PM - Post#221446    
    In response to SomeGuy

Mike Smith was outstanding in the second half tonight finishing with 21 points. He also had a team high six rebounds.

If Penn defeats Cornell tomorrow afternoon, the Lions will have a two game lead over Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth and Penn. If Cornell takes down Penn, the Lions will have a one game lead over Cornell, a two game lead over Brown and Dartmouth and a three game lead over Penn. Do I have it right?

 
TheLine 
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02-11-17 10:44 PM - Post#221448    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Yes, that's correct.


 
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