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Columbia 37P6 
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02-12-17 06:16 PM - Post#221595    

Plenty of positives from the Lions' comeback in the second half of the Princeton game last night. Overall, the Lions played probably their best half since the opening game against Stony Brook when they came out firing with all cylinders. Columbia's Big Three--Petrasek, Smith and Hickman--are difficult to stop when they go into high gear. The catalyst last night was Quinton Adlesh, who has emerged as one of the the Lions' best players. Adlesh is a terrific shooter who ranks third in the Ivy League in 3-point percent behind Cook of Princeton and Hobbie of Brown. However, Adlesh is also fourth in the League in steals per game, and up there as well in assists and other categories.

 
cc66 
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02-12-17 06:34 PM - Post#221596    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

So why doesn't Adlesh start in place of Hunter? Or is he better along with Killingsworth as the 6th man?

 
Columbia Alum 
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Six More Games Before the Tournament
02-12-17 06:43 PM - Post#221598    
    In response to cc66

Yes starting lineup and 20+ mins a game to Hickman, adlesh, meisner, smith, petrasek. Then Coby, hunter, killingsworth, voss, Davis, all impactful off the bench as needed. it's now us or penn, and penn just rediscovered their mojo this weekend, totally dominated Cornell this afternoon. I wouldn't assume they automatically lose to H and Y.

Edited by Columbia Alum on 02-12-17 06:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-12-17 06:44 PM - Post#221600    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I would say that the first halves of the Harvard and Brown games were probably our best halves of the year.


 
internetter 
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02-12-17 09:43 PM - Post#221626    
    In response to Chet Forte

Whatever strategies are employed, Pet has to be more involved, *take* more than 6 shots.
west coast fan


 
Say_al 
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02-15-17 03:26 PM - Post#221920    
    In response to internetter

At what point does the rotation get solidified? I feel like no player truly gets into a rhythm being as though he goes 15 players deep.

 
cc66 
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02-15-17 04:26 PM - Post#221927    
    In response to Say_al

True. But I've begun to see the upside--if the players all accept their roles, no one gets drained in the first game of the back-to-back Ivy weekends, and we have a larger pool of people from which to create mismatches.

 
Say_al 
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02-16-17 02:58 PM - Post#222030    
    In response to cc66

These are college aged kids. They should not be tired playing in 3 minute spurts. Include dead balls, free throws and media timeouts there is very little rhythm gained.



 
SomeGuy 
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02-16-17 08:03 PM - Post#222041    
    In response to cc66

One observation -- it seems to me that whoever comes off the bench in the Hunter/Killingsworth platoon has generally looked better. So while the subs may seem annoying and break up flow, it could be that some of the guys are gaining an advantage by coming in a little fresher than their opponent. And some guys may be a bit more exposed going against the opponents' best five at the start.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-16-17 08:04 PM - Post#222042    
    In response to cc66

Isn't that kind of a small lineup?

 
cc66 
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02-16-17 09:01 PM - Post#222044    
    In response to SomeGuy

Well, Engles did say that he likes players to sit down and watch what is happening. At least that was his explanation several games ago when Coby played perfectly well for the first 30 seconds, only to have Engles take him out.

I'm not sure which lineup you are referring to? Did you mean to comment on the starting lineup in another thread?



 
SomeGuy 
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02-17-17 07:35 AM - Post#222058    
    In response to cc66

Sorry -- I was responding to the suggestion of starting Adlesh instead of Hunter.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-17-17 10:04 AM - Post#222073    
    In response to SomeGuy

Great piece by Alex Rosenberg in today's Spec. I would attach it if I could. And yes, the refs robbed us with the bogus offensive call in the 2014 Harvard game. Alex confirms it.


 
Columbia Alum 
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02-17-17 11:45 AM - Post#222083    
    In response to Chet Forte

Hard to believe we were firmly bottom half and close to the bottom of the league for so long. Give much credit to the people in the years around alex rosenberg / kyle smith / maodo lo who uplifted our program, apart from that no looking back. Firmly top half and win once in a while from here on!

 
mrjames 
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Six More Games Before the Tournament
02-17-17 03:05 PM - Post#222106    
    In response to Chet Forte

Not that it should matter what the player whistled for a foul thinks (relative to say, the official or head of officiating), but Alex says:

"However, that time, I was called for a controversial offensive foul after the shot had dropped through the bottom of the net."

He called it controversial, which it was, but not "bogus."

I'll reiterate that a common misconception about that call often arises from the different definitions of a charge for a primary and secondary defender.

The call was correct by the letter of the law. As he goes up for the shot, Alex's elbow extends into Rivard's vertical plane toward his head. He probably would have gotten away with that part. But as he takes off, he launches forward, putting his body at about a 70-80 degree angle with the ground with his waist and above projecting into that imaginary vertical plane that starts at Rivard's feet. Rivard begins to fall backwards matching Alex's angle. By the time Alex lets go, he's at about a 60 degree angle with the ground and Rivard has been knocked off his feet. If you walk through the game footage and hit play/pause frequently, you can clearly see this progression.

It's a clear charge in that frame-by-frame view, but I can't imagine it was as clear to the refs in real time. That's why I was shocked that they made the call they did in that spot.

 
roarlionroar 
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02-17-17 06:45 PM - Post#222117    
    In response to mrjames

I'll stick with bogus.

 
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