Cvonvorys
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Re: Jackson Donahue
02-21-17 07:44 PM - Post#222929
In response to SomeGuy
With Woods back, he's got to stay ahead of Goodman, too, and any lead he has there for playing time is closing fast. Howard graduating helps some, as Betley my slide up to play that role at times if Simmons isn't immediately ready. But I'd prefer not to play 3 small guards at once, so it really looks to me like Donahue/Foreman/Woods/Goo dman are splitting two positions, and that is before anyone else forces their way into the mix, and we may play big some with Betley or Jones at the 2 as well. So lots of competition for Jackson.
Earlier in the season it seemed to me that Tyler Hamilton was the heir apparent to Matt Howard. His PT over the past number of games seems to suggest that will not be the case... Thoughts?
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Silver Maple
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02-21-17 08:16 PM - Post#222931
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I wouldn't be surprised if the recipient of Matt Howard's starting spot and minutes turns out to be Jarrod Simmons.
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02-21-17 08:22 PM - Post#222933
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I wouldn't be surprised if the recipient of Matt Howard's starting spot and minutes turns out to be Jarrod Simmons.
What's the expression??? Oh yeah... "From your lips, to God's ear!"
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TheLine
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Jackson Donahue
02-21-17 08:54 PM - Post#222945
In response to Cvonvorys
Maybe Jelani Williams or Eddie Scott will be in the mix as well.
Jelani posted a video of his physio therapy on his twitter account. Kid seems super-motivated.
But we're putting the cart before the horse...
Edited by TheLine on 02-21-17 08:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Jackson Donahue
02-21-17 09:13 PM - Post#222951
In response to Cvonvorys
Yes, he doesn't look like the heir apparent now. That said, the mix changes a lot without Howard, so I don't necessarily see Hamilton as out of the running. He's probably the closest approximation to Howard, if he can shoot the 3.
Betley's emergence as a big guard who can rebound changes things, though. Adding another big in Simmons takes some of the foul worry away in regard to AJ and Max, freeing Max to play more minutes, too. So Hamilton's road is cluttered with competition.
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02-22-17 11:10 AM - Post#222988
In response to SomeGuy
It's waaay to soon for this discussion, but I'm confident Tyler will get every opportunity to take on some of Howard's minutes and he will always have a place as a defensive specialist. He needs to work on ball handling and shooting to get major minutes though.
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Jeff2sf
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Jackson Donahue
02-22-17 11:16 AM - Post#222990
In response to Streamers
sm is completely right and my bad. I've been pretty underwhelmed with jackson's play and that caused me to ignore usage right which is silly given how much I've harped on that in the past. There is absolutely value in Jackson having courage to hoist open shots. be cooler if he made them, but if the choice is Matt at 32% from 3 but never shoots to JD at 31% but shoots appropriately, i guess I'll take the latter.**
** hoping/assuming that 31% is not his true shooting level.
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02-22-17 11:34 AM - Post#222991
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Jackson has gotten the fewest minutes of the iron seven over the 4 game winning streak. That's more telling than Steve Donahue's words.
I don't think it matters too much if it's Donahue or MacDonald getting those minutes. While they have different strengths, their productivity is pretty close. If the coach is seeing some intangibles that Jackson is bringing to the table that put him slightly over Matt I have no objection. It's not like Jackson is causing a clearly superior player to be buried on the bench.
And when we need a zone breaker then either will lose minutes to Jones. Yes, Donahue had nice numbers vs. Brown but he got hot after the game was determined. He's not getting open looks like that in a more competitive game.
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Jackson Donahue
02-22-17 12:54 PM - Post#223005
In response to TheLine
I don't think when he hit the shots mattered, he just needed to hit shots. So many of them have been both wide open and on target that he just needed to see some go down. Say what you want but we need his 3-point shooting to have any chance of doing what we are all dreaming about.
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02-22-17 01:19 PM - Post#223010
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You could argue that Donahue was one of the big reasons we closed that game out so easily, not allowing the Brownies to get back in it. There's a lot to be said for that.
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02-22-17 01:23 PM - Post#223012
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Mike Martin said as much in the post game interview. He said JD kept the lid closed when they brought it down to 16 a couple times he hit big shots to extend the lead again
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02-22-17 01:58 PM - Post#223017
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I don't think it's right to say Donahue shut the door on Brown's chances.
Yes, Jackson Donahue did hit a 3 when Brown got it down to 16. With 5:30 remaining in the game. In a game that Brown never was in. It's hard to call that a big shot. Donahue then proceeded to score 11 of his 20 points in that last 5 and a half minutes while Brown wasn't playing much D.
I'm happy he did score open 3's but want to see more of the same this weekend.
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02-22-17 02:19 PM - Post#223022
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and importantly for those saying he just needed to break through, i would not call his sunday performance at yale particularly good. so if he's just gonna have random outbreaks that are pretty much guaranteed to happen occasionally when you let it fly as much as he does... i dunno.
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02-22-17 02:29 PM - Post#223024
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I don't think it's right to say Donahue shut the door on Brown's chances.
You don't have to think it's right but the Brown Coach thought it was so that counts for something.
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02-22-17 02:48 PM - Post#223025
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It was a 16 point lead with 5:30 remaining.
You know who had a good game on Friday that no one is talking about? Darnell. He was pulling the strings so well and stayed in control on both ends of the court. My only concern was that Yale would lay off him and force him to shoot. Sure enough, he shot more on Sunday and made most of them.
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02-22-17 02:56 PM - Post#223026
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and importantly for those saying he just needed to break through, i would not call his sunday performance at yale particularly good. so if he's just gonna have random outbreaks that are pretty much guaranteed to happen occasionally when you let it fly as much as he does... i dunno.
Right now he's chucking it with abandon, and hitting just enough of them that, given the alternatives, the coaches feel it's worth having him out there. That said, I think everybody's in agreement that, next year, he's almost certainly going to have to become more efficient if he's going to solidify his role.
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02-23-17 09:32 AM - Post#223090
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Jackson provided a lot of energy and leadership against Yale and hustled his butt off. It would be nice if he was shooting 45% from 3 as he is a very good shooter who has struggled for some reason unknown to me. His % is starting to improve a bit although it's way below where is should be.
Penn did a terrific job on the Yale guards, all of whom are big and athletic. Dallier is 6'5 and Phills is shorter but seems long for 6'2"/6'3" (plus Oni who is a very long 6'5"). We had Jackson, Dev and Darnell on them and clearly the 3 of them with Betley played terrific team defense and won the day. Jackson Donahue was a big part of that effort last Sunday.
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02-23-17 09:58 AM - Post#223091
In response to AsiaSunset
Hoping he turns into the next Z. Rosen.
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penn nation
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02-23-17 10:01 AM - Post#223092
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I think he'd need a hatafat dam brit, at minimum.
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02-23-17 10:02 AM - Post#223093
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I'm talking hoops here, not tzidkus.
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