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Username Post: Boudreaux Player Of The Week        (Topic#19970)
hoops123 
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Re: Boudreaux Player Of The Week
02-20-17 10:47 PM - Post#222791    
    In response to penn nation

Best Rebounder in the league by a wide margin. No one close. Top 50 in the country in NCAA D1 in Def rebounds(18th), total rebounds (39th), and double doubles(34th). I think Dartmouth fans will take all the Evan Boudreaux's we can get.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Boudreaux Player Of The Week
02-20-17 11:02 PM - Post#222792    
    In response to hoops123

I agree with all of this. Just not regarding Saturday night, that's all.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Re: Boudreaux Player Of The Week
02-20-17 11:28 PM - Post#222793    
    In response to hoops123

Boudreaux does everything well. Great to hear that he bleeds Dartmouth Green and likely will play all 4 years.

I disagree about the best Ivy League rebounder however. Based on Mike James analytics Edosomwan is the 'best' rebounder in Ivy league history based on percentage of rebounds per opportunities. I know Boudreaux leads the league in rebounds per game, but Zena leads in rebounds per minute by a large margin and I expect rebounding efficiency as well. Zena leads in each of offensive and defensive rebounds per minute and averages more offensive rebounds than Bourdreaux in half the minutes. If Amaker would play Zena more than 16 minutes/game, he'd be averaging in double figures and lead the league as he did last year.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 02-20-17 11:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
hoops123 
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Re: Boudreaux Player Of The Week
02-20-17 11:55 PM - Post#222797    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Zena is a good rebounder. Boudreaux will likely get to say he led the Ivy league in-conference and out-of-conference in total rebounding for the season. There won't be an asterisk next to his numbers. Zena (who gets more offensive rebounds) will get to say he was a more "efficient" rebounder IF he played more minutes in a hypothetical 'what if' scenario (no guarantee that he would actually get those numbers, though I concede he statistically/probably would). If that's the case, Amaker should play him more, right? I still think at the end of the season when people ask who was the top rebounder in the Ivy League this season, the answer will be Boudreaux. Not Zena.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-21-17 12:03 AM - Post#222798    
    In response to hoops123

Yes, Boudreaux will average more rbg this year, but I still think the stats show Zena is the 'best' rebounder this year (that was the claim I responded to). Note: Zena led the league in rebounding last year despite playing less minutes than Boudreaux then also.

Also, based on my eye test, I'd take Zena if there is one key rebound needed.





 
hoops123 
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02-21-17 12:11 AM - Post#222799    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

If he's such a great rebounder, "the best" as you say, why doesn't he play more?

 
SomeGuy 
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02-21-17 06:44 AM - Post#222802    
    In response to hoops123

This is a bit if a mystery. Both the stats and the eye test say he should play big minutes. Could be a lot of things. Might be playing the freshmen, and still planning to go full Zena in the postseason. Might be that he broke down as the focal point last year and left Harvard without their best player, so they try to spot him and keep him healthy. It also could be that his game doesn't fit well into what they are generally trying to do with the rest of the pieces. So he gets his stats but makes everybody else less efficient. But these are just guesses.

I would also hazard a guess that he would be playing 30+ minutes if he were at Dartmouth.

 
mrjames 
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02-21-17 07:38 AM - Post#222807    
    In response to SomeGuy

Z is the best defensive rebounder back to 02-03 followed by Kenyatta Smith and best total rebounder followed by Greg Mangano. Boudreaux is 3rd and T-3rd in those categories, respectively, so he's definitely among the elite of the Ivy elites on the glass.

 
hoopla 
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02-21-17 09:00 AM - Post#222822    
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Do you agree MR James that Boudreau is or should be in contention for POY?

 
Go Green 
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02-21-17 09:13 AM - Post#222826    
    In response to hoopla

  • hoopla Said:
Do you agree MR James that Boudreau is or should be in contention for POY?



Wouldn't getting first-team All Ivy be enough?

I don't think we've had a first-team All Ivy sophomore since Shaun Gee.

 
hoopla 
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Boudreaux Player Of The Week
02-21-17 09:36 AM - Post#222836    
    In response to Go Green

First team will be great, Go Green! But I am curious about MR James's opinion on where he thinks Boudreaux is positioned with respect to POY.

Edited by hoopla on 02-21-17 09:40 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
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02-21-17 03:54 PM - Post#222897    
    In response to hoopla

I think it's doubtful that any player who's on a team that's likely to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 in a conference is going to be selected for that conference's POY. That might not be fair, but it's reality.

 
Go Green 
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02-21-17 05:12 PM - Post#222905    
    In response to Silver Maple


I think the sophomore thing will hurt more than the lower-division finish.

Dartmouth took last in football last fall, but still got a POY.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-21-17 05:16 PM - Post#222907    
    In response to Silver Maple

I think Boudreaux has a real chance at POY. The balance of many clubs and the role of freshmen may just help him stand out as the most integral MVP of any squad.

Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Columbia really don't have an indispensable player, but that is likely because of the strength of the supporting cast rather than a dearth of quality players.

Likely competition comes from the teams built around a particular player like Spieth, Morgan and less likely Brodeur.

Boudreaux seems to be the leading candidate along with maybe Spieth - assuming the POY can come from a non-tournament team.





 
penn nation 
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02-21-17 05:31 PM - Post#222911    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Penn won't have anyone on the first team, and I'm not even sure about second team. Its best players started out just awful in Ivy play, far worse than their OOC play.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-21-17 05:44 PM - Post#222917    
    In response to penn nation

Then I think POY is either Boudreaux or Spieth.

 
mrjames 
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02-21-17 07:46 PM - Post#222938    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Who do I think comprises the short list for best Ivy player this year or who do I think will get picked for POY by the coaches? The former is interesting, and I'd have to think about it. I'd be shocked if the answer to the latter is a sophomore on a bottom four team. The better question is whether he makes 1st Team. The only lower division team with any prayer at POY is Brown with Spieth. I'd expect the POY to be the best player on Princeton, to be honest.

 
SRP 
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02-21-17 07:47 PM - Post#222939    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I wouldn't trade Cook, Weisz, Stephens, or Cannady for Speith, although he is an excellent player.

 
hoops123 
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02-21-17 08:00 PM - Post#222947    
    In response to mrjames

Which raises the question: is POY the actual best overall player in the IL, or is it the best player on a winning team? It used to be the best player in the league (as there have been many times throughout history that a POY came from a bottom 4 team). 2 at Dartmouth that I know of. I think whether it's Boudreaux or Spieth or someone else, it should be the overall best player in the IL, regardless of class they are in. Since coaches do vote, they are closer to who they feel is the best overall player they have competed against. A good player who is lucky enough to be on a "better" team for whatever reasons, shouldn't get POY over a better player who happens to be on a poor team. In both cases, neither player can do anything about the quality/makeup of the team they happen to play on. My opinion.
Interested to hear what others think.

 
mrjames 
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02-21-17 08:06 PM - Post#222949    
    In response to hoops123

A player *can* win POY from a bad team, but he has to be transcendent. Alex Barnett in 2009 was taking 33% of Dartmouth's shots and was efficient at it. Would have been impossible to say no. And that's what you have to do if you want it on a bad team.

 
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