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Username Post: Current Status: All-Ivy, ROY, POY        (Topic#20000)
IvyBballFan 
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Reg: 11-19-09
02-24-17 02:01 PM - Post#223236    

Four games left. No telling what will change, but a few things probably will.
Each area is in alphabetical order. Who else deserves consideration?

First Team
AJ Brodeur
Steven Cook
Matt Morgan
Luke Petrasek
Steven Spieth

Second Team
Evan Boudreaux
Devin Cannady
Sam Downey
Miye Oni
Spencer Weisz

Honorable Mention
Bryce Aiken
Siyani Chambers
Alex Copeland
Matt Howard
Mike Smith
Myles Stephens

ROY- Brodeur

POY- no clear favorite, two or three could be co-POY


 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
02-24-17 02:12 PM - Post#223237    
    In response to IvyBballFan

Tough to bump any of above. But, at least among Tigers, Myles Stephens has become our most flexible and consistent player. I would put him above, rather than below his other three teammates.

 
PennFan10 
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Re: Current Status: All-Ivy, ROY, POY
02-24-17 02:29 PM - Post#223244    
    In response to IvyBballFan

My picks:

First Team
Evan Boudreaux
Steven Cook
Spencer Weisz
Luke Petrasek
Steven Spieth

Second Team
AJ Brodeur
Devin Cannady
Myles Stephens
Miye Oni
Matt Morgan
Bryce Aiken

Honorable Mention
Siyani Chambers
Alex Copeland
Matt Howard
Mike Smith
Sam Downey

ROY- Oni

POY- Cook or Weisz (whomever MH nominates)

COY: MH

 
palestra38 
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Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Current Status: All-Ivy, ROY, POY
02-24-17 02:36 PM - Post#223246    
    In response to PennFan10

It's tough not to put the entire Princeton team on that First team the way they have played this year...amazing given the injuries.

 
Columbia Alum 
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Reg: 11-15-11
02-24-17 02:41 PM - Post#223249    
    In response to PennFan10

my picks

first team:
Petrasek
Boudreaux
Spieth
Cook
Morgan

Second Team:
Oni
Aiken
Weisz
Smith
Brodeur

HM:
Towns
Cannady
Hickman
Howard
Gettings

POY: Pick any of the first team, probably cook since Princeton is winning and the others aren't in the top 3

ROY: Pick any of the second team (except weisz)

This year is harder than usual since so many first years are carrying the load for most teams.

 
PennFan10 
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02-24-17 02:58 PM - Post#223251    
    In response to Columbia Alum

I think Boudreaux/Brodeur 1st team comes down to their HTH on March 3 at the Palestra. If Brodeur puts Penn into 4th and Penn beats Dartmouth in that game, Brodeur likely gets the nod for 1st team. Oni could play his way onto this team too if they win out.

 
hoops123 
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02-24-17 03:18 PM - Post#223253    
    In response to PennFan10

Boudreaux is first team no matter what happens HTH. We just throw out a season full of statistics? Why not use the last HTH then? Boudreaux's leading league (Brodeur) in rebounding (by a lot) and is third in scoring in league and leading Brodeur in scoring by a lot. Scored in double figures 22 out of 23 games. 12 double doubles. Nearly averaging a double double for the season. Are you serious?

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Current Status: All-Ivy, ROY, POY
02-24-17 04:50 PM - Post#223276    
    In response to palestra38

Thanks for the kind words. But, that might be like the old Sports Illustrated cover photo jinx.

Plus, there is still a lot of bball to be played ... before the end of just the regular season. I don't want my guys to read some of the above and get fat heads.

 
PennFan10 
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02-24-17 07:06 PM - Post#223316    
    In response to hoops123

  • hoops123 Said:
Boudreaux is first team no matter what happens HTH. We just throw out a season full of statistics? Why not use the last HTH then? Boudreaux's leading league (Brodeur) in rebounding (by a lot) and is third in scoring in league and leading Brodeur in scoring by a lot. Scored in double figures 22 out of 23 games. 12 double doubles. Nearly averaging a double double for the season. Are you serious?



Take some prozac big boy. I'm the one who switched EB to 1st team and AJ to 2nd team from the original post.


 
mrjames 
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Reg: 11-21-04
02-24-17 07:24 PM - Post#223319    
    In response to PennFan10

Stephens, Weisz and Cook all for first team and one of those three for POY unless things go crazy sideways for Princeton over the next eight days. Spieth as a deserving senior should get a 1st team nod. After that, it's going to get split fast.

ROY would be Oni or Aiken today, but probably whichever of those two and Brodeur and Smith plays best down the stretch.

DPOY is all over the map right now.

COY is like POY - Princeton unless stuff goes sideways for it.

 
PennFan10 
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02-24-17 08:50 PM - Post#223360    
    In response to mrjames

I can't imagine the case for Aiken over Oni. Two great players but only one of them is an impact two way player right now.

 
SRP 
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02-24-17 10:08 PM - Post#223436    
    In response to PennFan10

Aiken is pretty high impact. When he's on the court he gobbles up possessions, and somehow he's coming out with decent efficiency, despite my unfavorable eye test on some of his decisions.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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02-24-17 10:21 PM - Post#223442    
    In response to SRP

Weisz and Cook have each carried the team at times. Weisz is a coach on the floor. The streak started at Bucknell when Stephens became a starter. If there is a better defender in the Ivy League I have not seen him.

 
PennFan10 
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02-24-17 10:33 PM - Post#223447    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
Aiken is pretty high impact. When he's on the court he gobbles up possessions, and somehow he's coming out with decent efficiency, despite my unfavorable eye test on some of his decisions.



I didn't say he wasn't high impact....I said Oni is high impact on BOTH ends of the floor. I would think the two way player is more valuable than a high volume scorer.


 
SRP 
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02-24-17 10:40 PM - Post#223448    
    In response to PennFan10

I guess my Yale sample is too small. I didn't see great defensive impact from Oni on very many possessions.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-24-17 11:51 PM - Post#223460    
    In response to Columbia Alum

I think Cook and Weisz are the biggest locks for first team All-Ivy, assuming Princeton doesn't go and somehow lose the next 3. I know the straight scoring stats are more impressive for guys on teams that haven't been winning, but I think the coaches will acknowledge that these are the best players on the best team. After that, it is tougher to predict.

 
PennFan10 
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02-25-17 12:12 AM - Post#223465    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
I guess my Yale sample is too small. I didn't see great defensive impact from Oni on very many possessions.



Oni is 10th in the league in scoring,5th in rebounding, 5th in blocked shots 10th in assists and has made more 3pters at a higher percentage than Aiken. Really the only category Aiken leads Oni is FT shooting.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Loc: New Jersey
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02-25-17 01:45 AM - Post#223475    
    In response to PennFan10

Aiken just blew up on Oni tonight.
Forgot the key stat - winning! Aiken led Harvard past Yale - twice!


 
hoops123 
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02-25-17 02:32 AM - Post#223477    
    In response to PennFan10

Ok then you'll handle the Viagra for your strong beliefs re hth and Brodeur then. I'm responding to your idiotic post that HTH determines who makes first team all ivy. Nothing changed on your post, and in case you're finding yourself flattered, I don't go back and read your old posts that you may have edited.

 
digamma 
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Loc: Minneapolis
Reg: 11-27-11
02-25-17 08:57 AM - Post#223482    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
  • SRP Said:
I guess my Yale sample is too small. I didn't see great defensive impact from Oni on very many possessions.



Oni is 10th in the league in scoring,5th in rebounding, 5th in blocked shots 10th in assists and has made more 3pters at a higher percentage than Aiken. Really the only category Aiken leads Oni is FT shooting.



Of course if we limit it to only conference games, Aiken pulls ahead in scoring, 3 point shooting, steals and assists. I know that's the classic debate of full season versus Ivy only.

Hard to argue though that Aiken hasn't been a first team talent over the Ivy portion of the season, and particularly over the last half.

 
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