mrjames
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02-25-17 09:11 AM - Post#223484
In response to digamma
Aiken has had the best offensive February of pretty much any player in the league, and as the best rookie on a top two team, he's probably got the inside track now.
My little straw poll around the league got the same comment of "thought it was Oni and Brodeur," and then a follow up that either Aiken had nipped them both or that they were still sticking Oni, but barely over Aiken.
Don't think the award is locked down yet, but given that Oni vs. Aiken was the dominant conversation and Aiken just outshone Oni again in a battle between the two teams, I think Oni (and Brodeur and Smith) have a lot of work to do now to catch Aiken.
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PennFan10
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02-25-17 03:14 PM - Post#223539
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Aiken just blew up on Oni tonight.
Forgot the key stat - winning! Aiken led Harvard past Yale - twice!
That's a lot easier to say after the game. I posted my thoughts before the game. And Aiken is a high volume shooter. Oni is a system shooter big difference. Before last night I am pretty confident Oni gets the nod. After last night I agree with Mr James that probably a slight nod to Aiken. Oni will have to play his way into it these last three. Two great players with very different games and impact on their teams. It's a two horse race between those two now.
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PennFan10
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02-25-17 03:22 PM - Post#223540
In response to hoops123
Ok then you'll handle the Viagra for your strong beliefs re hth and Brodeur then. I'm responding to your idiotic post that HTH determines who makes first team all ivy. Nothing changed on your post, and in case you're finding yourself flattered, I don't go back and read your old posts that you may have edited.
To think 1st team selections aren't affected by winning (and differentiated by HTH) is what's idiotic. Mr James said as much. Princeton is going to have 2-3 1st teamers if they go 14-0. That's the only thing that's a lock. And then Spieth is likely the next pick. So, while I think EB should be a lock for 1st team, there is going to be a war for the 5th spot with the likes of Aiken, Oni, Petrasek, Brodeur/Betley, etc for that last spot. And if Penn beats Dartmouth and wins out to finish 3rd, there will be some voters who look at a Penn star for 1st team too.
I think 12-2/11-3 Harvard is going to be tough to leave off the 1st team voting too.
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TheLine
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02-25-17 03:45 PM - Post#223544
In response to PennFan10
Every time I see Morgan play he puts up an All-Ivy performance. Just saying.
Boudreax will make the team ahead of Brodeur. Evan has been better than AJ in conference play. AJ has a better shot to win ROY if he finishes hot then getting on 1st team.
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PennFan10
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02-25-17 03:54 PM - Post#223545
In response to TheLine
I agree with all this.
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PennFan10
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03-04-17 11:34 AM - Post#224680
In response to PennFan10
ROY update:
Aiken at Princeton: 1-10 (0-7 from 3), 2pts, 31 minutes, 5 TO in close loss.
Oni had 12 pts, 5 reb, 6 assists, 1 blk and 1 steal in 27 min in a cruise vs Cornell
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Tiger81
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03-04-17 12:06 PM - Post#224687
In response to PennFan10
Steven Cook sure looked like the POY last night and was the best player on the court in a game between the two most talented teams in the league.
Aiken vs. Princeton this year took a lot of bad shots out of the flow of Harvard's offense. Although I know he has put together some impressive stats, last night Seth Towns had the best game I have seen against the Tigers, regardless of class year.
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Tiger69
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Current Status: All-Ivy, ROY, POY
03-04-17 12:15 PM - Post#224688
In response to Tiger81
Aiken ROY? Lots of body, great legs good color, full of potential. But, this whine needs to be put back on the shelf to mature for another year. 
POY? Cook, the leader in a cast of superlatives that have great futures.
Edited by Tiger69 on 03-04-17 12:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-04-17 12:39 PM - Post#224694
In response to Tiger69
Since there are so many close candidates, I'm starting to think final impressions in 'important' games will influence things.
POY: Sr. Cook earned it last night. Even if Dartmouth somehow beats Princeton tonight and makes the tournament, Soph. Boudreaux is likely runner up. Both solidified their chances last night.
ROY: Towns was amazing last night, and has now averaged over 20 pts over his last 5 games. Oni/Towns/Aiken/Betley are nos 8/9/10/13 for in-conference scoring. Brodeur has dropped to 19th. There are pros and cons for each, mostly related to inconsistency (Aiken/Oni) and downward trend (Brodeur). Towns and Betley are the most impressive candidates over the final 4 weekends. Fact that Betley didn't play in 10 of Penn's games would likely eliminate him. Tough call.
DOY: Wish Zena played more and Bruner is likely to win this before it's through. Zena gets caught up on switches but he has handled opponents like Downey and Brodeur with no help unlike any other center in this league. Leaning towards Princeton's Stephens, if not Princeton's entire starting 5+Bell.
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PennFan10
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03-04-17 01:06 PM - Post#224703
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
ROY:Towns hasn't been consistent enough for ROY this year. Oni is the frontrunner in my book. Night in and night out he has impacted the floor on both ends. Aiken fell back a bit and Betley is a distant 4th.
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PennFan10
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03-04-17 01:07 PM - Post#224704
In response to PennFan10
If Dartmouth wins tonight and makes the tourney, it will be hard not to take a long look at Boudreax as POY. I think he is back in the conversation though my money is still on whichever of the 3 Princeton players Mitch nominates.
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IvyBballFan
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03-05-17 08:26 PM - Post#225137
In response to PennFan10
The way it looks now (all in alpha order)?
Boudreaux
Cannady
Cook
Oni
Spieth
Brodeur
Downey
Howard, M
Morgan
Petrasek
Stephens
Weisz
(I know there are seven on 2nd team, but all deserve it)
HM
Aiken
Chambers
Gettings (most improved player)
Towns
ROY- Oni
co-POY- Cook and Weisz (co-leaders of 14-0 team that lost two starters by mid-season)
DPOY- Boudreaux (did it all)
COY- Henderson (14-0 losing two starters by mid-season)
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mrjames
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03-05-17 08:44 PM - Post#225141
In response to IvyBballFan
Boudreaux as DPOY????? Weisz and Stephens both on 2nd team???? Are you drunk?
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SRP
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03-05-17 10:33 PM - Post#225174
In response to mrjames
Hard to distinguish inebriation from trolling sometimes.
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SomeGuy
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03-05-17 10:35 PM - Post#225175
In response to mrjames
Well, you missed the oddest thing -- Weisz as co-POY without making 1st team. That would really be something.
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mrjames
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03-05-17 10:46 PM - Post#225177
In response to SomeGuy
I got caught up on Boudreaux as DPOY. Couldn't get past that. That's just... yikes.
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PennFan10
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03-05-17 11:04 PM - Post#225183
In response to mrjames
I actually laughed out loud when I saw DPOY-EB.
What's even more funny is I saw the forum front page and the "mrjames" was the last one to post. My phone opened immediately to the list of players for all league and I read it, assuming it was mrjames projections. Then I got to DPOY and laughed thinking that he was, in fact, somewhere intoxicated and messing with us.
Funny stuff. I do think there is some validity to co-poy of Cook and Weisz. Let's Mitch off the hook a little.
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TheLine
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03-06-17 10:56 AM - Post#225222
In response to PennFan10
My 1st team : Cook, Weisz, Boudreaux, Spieth, Morgan
There are plenty of candidates for 2nd team this year. I'll go with Cannady, Chambers, Petrasek, Howard, Oni.
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PennFan10
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03-06-17 12:42 PM - Post#225239
In response to TheLine
I would project:
1st:
Cook
Weisz
Spieth
Boudreaux
Oni/Stephens
2nd:
Oni/Stephens
Aikens
Howard
Morgan
Petrasek
Chambers
POY:
Cook/Weisz
ROY: Oni
COY: MH
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Go Green
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03-06-17 01:03 PM - Post#225242
In response to PennFan10
Are they announcing honors today, or waiting until after the tournament?
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