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Username Post: Strategy for Next Weekend        (Topic#20019)
Columbia Alum 
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02-26-17 08:16 AM - Post#223704    

Sorry, reposting this in a new thread because I feel it's important. Hopefully someone in the team or coaching staff sees this and gets it.

Strategy: we need to only focus on Brown this week.

If penn beat Dartmouth at home, which they certainly will. We must beat Brown away. And strangely, after that the Yale game is becomes 100% irrelevant for us... both penn and Columbia will be 6-7. If penn goes 7-7 by beating H, even if we beat Y, and go 7-7 we're out. If penn goes 6-8 losing to H, even if we lose to Y we're in!

So we need to spend this whole week prepping for Brown, who is now eliminated from the tourney race, through tiebreakers.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-26-17 08:57 AM - Post#223705    
    In response to Columbia Alum

I'm not following your logic. Wouldn't Columbia get the fourth spot if both teams finish 7-7?

 
PennFan10 
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02-26-17 08:59 AM - Post#223706    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

No. The tiebreakers favor Penn if Penn beats Harvard. Tie breakers are HTH (split). Then record against other seeds in tourney (same in that scenario) then rankings (Penn would win)

 
PennFan10 
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02-26-17 09:01 AM - Post#223707    
    In response to PennFan10

If Penn doesn't beat Harvard, Columbia owns second tiebreaker by virtue of better record against other tourney teams (because they beat Harvard)

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-26-17 09:09 AM - Post#223709    
    In response to PennFan10

What happens in the scenario where Penn defeats Dartmouth and Columbia loses to Brown Friday night and then Penn loses to Harvard and Columbia defeats Yale Saturday night?

 
Chet Forte 
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02-26-17 09:36 AM - Post#223714    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

The 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the notorious home cooking that Penn has enjoyed for years at the Palestra will reach gargantuan proportions next weekend.


 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 09:37 AM - Post#223715    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Columbia would win the 2nd tiebreaker by having gone 1-1 against the #2 seed (H) while Penn would have gone 0-2 against H.

 
Charlie Fog 
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02-26-17 09:44 AM - Post#223719    
    In response to Chet Forte

Looked like some good home cooking last night for Columbia

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-26-17 09:59 AM - Post#223723    
    In response to penn nation

Is it correct to say that if Penn loses to Harvard Saturday night, then Columbia will get the fourth spot in the Tournament as long as it defeats either Brown or Yale.

 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 10:03 AM - Post#223725    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Yes

 
Tiger69 
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02-26-17 10:45 AM - Post#223728    
    In response to penn nation

Crazy, huh? So next year I suggest that we go to 7 team tourney with Champion receiving first round bye - a rather modest reward for its 14 game success.. If there are co-champs, then 6 teams, etc. From there it gets fun.

Also, higher seed gets home floor in all games, including the final. Even if games are not played in the vaunted Palestra, there will be more venues with all spectators having skin in the game. If, in a given game, say Dartmouth or harvard has the higher seed, it wins the advantage of its band box gym and an energized crowd. Free peanuts for everyone -- except #8. Well, life doesn't promise everyone second chances

 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 11:00 AM - Post#223732    
    In response to Tiger69

The theory is fine. The devil is in the details.

 
Tiger69 
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02-26-17 11:05 AM - Post#223735    
    In response to penn nation

You mean, like, 5 co-champs?

 
TigerFan 
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02-26-17 11:33 AM - Post#223741    
    In response to Tiger69

I think we can go one step better next year: each school is in the tournament but they bring combined men's and women's teams. Seedings are determined by averaging each school's two team's conference rankings as determine by the average of their best and lowest scores in four computer ratings systems. Top four seeded teams must play no more than three representatives from the men's team and no fewer than two members of the women's team at any one time. Lowest four seeds must play no fewer than three members of their women's team and no more than two members of their men's team at any one time. Double or nothing ticket to the NCAA tournaments.

 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 11:44 AM - Post#223745    
    In response to TigerFan

If it increases the chances of the Tigers getting shut out I'm all for it

Had more than my fill of orange in this country of late



 
TigerFan 
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02-26-17 11:56 AM - Post#223750    
    In response to penn nation

Assume you are referring to the noxious hue of orange in the White House--on that one, I'll buy you a high ball Penn Nation.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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Strategy for Next Weekend
02-26-17 01:03 PM - Post#223762    
    In response to TigerFan

Great idea Tiger Fan! Having combined men's and women sports teams is indeed the wave of the future. However, at this time, basketball teams composed of an unequal number of males and females would violate Title VII and open up the Ivy League to myriad lawsuits. The only reasonable alternative, therefore, would be to play postseason games with an even number of players of both sexes, which would require some rule changes. Also, there is the further complication of ensuring transgender rights in today's politically charged climate.

Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 02-26-17 01:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TigerFan 
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Re: Strategy for Next Weekend
02-26-17 01:21 PM - Post#223764    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I will accept your suggestion that teams play with an even number of players a friendly amendment to my suggestion. Didn't the Big East try an experiment with 6 player fouls before ejection for a brief period in the 80s? This might just be crazy enough to work sports fans!

 
Go Green 
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Re: Strategy for Next Weekend
02-27-17 02:20 PM - Post#223889    
    In response to Columbia Alum

  • Columbia Alum Said:
If penn beat Dartmouth at home, which they certainly will.



Maybe you missed it, but Dartmouth won the first match in Hanover.

While Penn should be expected to win, they're hardly a lock for it.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-27-17 02:31 PM - Post#223893    
    In response to Go Green

Dartmouth' biggest problem against Penn will be the notorious home cooking at the Palestra.


 
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