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Username Post: Get the Lawyers Ready        (Topic#20022)
westphillywarrior 
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02-26-17 12:39 PM - Post#223743    

If "The Committee" is going to change the tie breaker rules now, I'd say get the lawyers ready.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 01:03 PM - Post#223752    
    In response to westphillywarrior

I just read mike James Twitter feed and yes this is patently absurd

The tie breaking rules made it appear like one set of criteria would be used but now they directly replied to mikes query that ALL head to heads against ALL ivy teams are now the criteria

First this really really hurts Penn. But more importantly it does not allow any of the contending teams to directly determine their fate next weekend which does not pass the smell test

Yes bring out the lawyers

 
penn nation 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 01:20 PM - Post#223757    
    In response to penn nation

In other words we could end depending on the order of who finishes 6th 7th and 8th in the league to determine who ends up qualifying 4th for the tourney

It makes zero sense to depend on the result of a Cornell-Brown game on the final weekend to potentially make or break a 4th seed

 
Chip Bayers 
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02-26-17 01:33 PM - Post#223758    
    In response to penn nation

I defer to Dick the Butcher in Henry VI, Pt. 2 on this topic.


 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 01:38 PM - Post#223760    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I hear you but someone needs to set ivy headquarters in princeton straight

When you mention seeds the context is pretty clear-it's how they will be seeded in the tourney. If it takes lawyers to make this codified then so be it

 
TigerFan 
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02-26-17 02:23 PM - Post#223765    
    In response to penn nation

Sorry to re-post this from another stream but I think the farce playing out calls for it:

I think we can go one step better next year: each school is in the tournament but they bring combined men's and women's teams. Seedings are determined by averaging each school's two team's conference rankings as determine by the average of their best and lowest scores in four computer ratings systems. Top four seeded teams must play no more than three representatives from the men's team and no fewer than two members of the women's team at any one time. Lowest four seeds must play no fewer than three members of their women's team and no more than two members of their men's team at any one time. Double or nothing ticket to the NCAA tournaments.

 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 02:28 PM - Post#223766    
    In response to TigerFan

  • TigerFan Said:
Sorry to re-post this from another stream but I think the farce playing out calls for it:

I think we can go one step better next year: each school is in the tournament but they bring combined men's and women's teams. Seedings are determined by averaging each school's two team's conference rankings as determine by the average of their best and lowest scores in four computer ratings systems. Top four seeded teams must play no more than three representatives from the men's team and no fewer than two members of the women's team at any one time. Lowest four seeds must play no fewer than three members of their women's team and no more than two members of their men's team at any one time. Double or nothing ticket to the NCAA tournaments.



averaging the testosterone levels of each combined squad.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 02:31 PM - Post#223768    
    In response to westphillywarrior

If we're going to "lawyer up", let's go after the NCAA for anti-trust violations of packing their tournament with most of the Power Six instead of dividing the booty more equitably among all NCAA amateur athletic programs. Come to think of it, do we really need the NCAA? Maybe we need to form an Alt NCAA to serve members with athletes who are part of the academic purpose of the institution. Let the Power Six be the minor league for professional aspirants.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 02:34 PM - Post#223770    
    In response to westphillywarrior

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Edited by Tiger69 on 02-26-17 02:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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02-26-17 03:11 PM - Post#223775    
    In response to Tiger69

Glad to see that the spirit of amateurism still dominates the League, in this case among the administration.

 
Big R&B Truth 
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Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 03:26 PM - Post#223779    
    In response to SRP

Why isn't the tie breaker the combined score of the two head to head match ups.
This puts each team in control of their own destiny and seems really simple. Typical of Ivy League admins. to make things way more complicated than they need to be.

Edited by Big R&B Truth on 02-26-17 03:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 03:30 PM - Post#223780    
    In response to SRP

Even a non-lawyer like me is able to read the tiebreaking language and see what is clearly meant.

Everything is discussed in seeding, seeding, seeding for the tourney and what will be done to break any ties. If there are only 4 teams in the tourney, you are talking about seeds 1 through 4. There is no 6th seed in a 4 team tourney!

 
penn nation 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 03:32 PM - Post#223781    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

To be fair, that was never used any other year to break ties, either, when teams tied head to head.

 
Chip Bayers 
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02-26-17 03:40 PM - Post#223782    
    In response to penn nation

One-game playoff for 4th seed on Wednesday before the tourney!



 
mrjames 
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02-26-17 03:44 PM - Post#223784    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I really like this idea FWIW, but if you get 3-way or 4-way ties for the final spot, doing two days of tiebreakers before a two day tourney could be a tall ask.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 03:46 PM - Post#223786    
    In response to penn nation

You may have noticed that a few other things have changed.

Move on.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 03:51 PM - Post#223788    
    In response to Tiger69

Happy to sign a MoveOn petition to the Ivy President on this issue, if that's what you mean.



 
penn nation 
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02-26-17 03:52 PM - Post#223789    
    In response to mrjames

But didn't you read? If Brian Earl wakes up on the wrong side of the bed Tuesday morning, or finds a seed** in his bagel, Cornell is eliminated.


** In this sole instance, seed does not refer to a 1-4 ranking in the upcoming Ivy Tourney.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 03:54 PM - Post#223790    
    In response to penn nation

I would hope that MoveOn is spending it's time on more substantial matters than gripes from us Ivy bball fans

 
penn nation 
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Get the Lawyers Ready
02-26-17 04:06 PM - Post#223791    
    In response to mrjames

Mike:

Your take on all of this? It's hard to imagine, given the tiebreaker language, that "seeding" language applies to teams outside the tourney. You seed for a tourney. The teams that make it into the tourney are seeded--they are the only seeds. We never talk about seeding in terms of how each team finishes within the league. Sure, we talk about coming in 2nd place, 4th, etc but not that this is our league seed.

Besides, what is the point of having a potential 7 vs 8 game during the last weekend determine a tourney berth? If that is what it has come down to, we might as well go back to the 14 game season.

Edited by penn nation on 02-26-17 04:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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