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Username Post: IL Tourney future        (Topic#20046)
dperry 
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dperry
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03-04-17 09:08 PM - Post#224870    
    In response to PennFan10

Well, all you SEA supporters should be exceedingly grateful to Jackson Donahue right now. There might actually be a decent crowd on Day 1.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
bradley 
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03-05-17 10:02 AM - Post#224960    
    In response to PennFan10

A fair statement is that the IL reputation has improved over the past 5+ years but the reputation is fragile. The improvement is largely due to the performance of the IL teams at the Big Dance. Many non-Ivy BB fans probably hope that the elitist IL schools fall flat on their fannies. What transpires in March will enhance or diminish the fragile reputation. Fortunately, the Harvard freshmen class also helps to change perceptions.

Now that we are past speculation as to what would happen during the season with actual results, an objective person can reasonably project seeding for all four teams and this year in particular, there is a significant difference based on actual results. Take historical norms by seed and the likelihood of a first round upset is questionable at best for seeds 2 thru 4. Princeton may well lose to the 4th seed at the NCAA tournament but they should be competitive and give a good showing based on their experience.

The introduction of the IL tournament did achieve the goal of keeping many IL fans in the game throughout the season and the Palestra will be exciting next weekend. The question if the league reputation will do well or take a hit this year will be determined by results and time will tell. If the Tigers win the IL Tournament this year, it would turn out to be a win-win for the league as to the introduction of the IL tournament but the odds are 50-50. I know that this statement may fall in the fear mongering category if the Tigers win the IL Tournament. Point is that if you want to introduce the IL Tournament do it when you are on safer ground.



 
Streamers 
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03-05-17 10:33 AM - Post#224965    
    In response to bradley

With a strong tournament and a little luck, Princeton will be a 12 and a bad draw for just about any potential 5.

 
section110 
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03-05-17 10:38 AM - Post#224968    
    In response to Streamers

Wishful thinking?


 
penn nation 
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03-05-17 10:49 AM - Post#224970    
    In response to Streamers

Penn as an actual 4 draw is Princeton's worst nightmare.



 
Tiger69 
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IL Tourney future
03-05-17 11:00 AM - Post#224975    
    In response to penn nation

Until this weekend, I might have agreed with you. But now, my friend, you are flattering yourself.

Edited by Tiger69 on 03-05-17 11:04 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 11:33 AM - Post#224986    
    In response to Tiger69

ALL of the pressure is on Princeton. If Penn loses--no big deal. They hit expectations.

If Princeton loses? Major kvetching from you folks all off-season about how your NCAA entitlement got snatched away from you. Oh, and a major choke job to boot.

Edited by penn nation on 03-05-17 11:34 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TigerFan 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 11:48 AM - Post#224992    
    In response to penn nation

Princeton played the best half of basketball last night I've seen them play in nearly 20 years (left at halftime to see my son in a play--what a great night!). The Tigers are in great shape physically and mentally for next weekend (I'd enjoy hearing from any Penn fan who wants to talk down Dartmouth).

Go Tigers!

 
Tiger69 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 12:10 PM - Post#224998    
    In response to penn nation

PN,

No more kvetching from me. We won, I'm happy ... except for the seniors who put in four years for a short trip of glory under the old rules and may now lose it. But, that hasn't happened yet.. And, there is still hope left for the hopeless.

Remind me again ... Was that 6-8 or 5-9? Keep the N.I.T.-picking coming. Or, I'll finally have to shut up.

This is too easy. At least, Chip makes me think.

 
penn nation 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 01:03 PM - Post#225008    
    In response to Tiger69

You forgot the best part--we started the season 0-6...and made the tourney!

I was opposed to the tourney precisely because of the spot that you're in. But now that the tourney exists, might as well milk it for all it's worth.

Besides, most people watch tourneys (at least initially) to root for the grand upset. And we, my friend, are mostly certainly the David in this matchup.

  • Tiger69 Said:
PN,

No more kvetching from me. We won, I'm happy ... except for the seniors who put in four years for a short trip of glory under the old rules and may now lose it. But, that hasn't happened yet.. And, there is still hope left for the hopeless.

Remind me again ... Was that 6-8 or 5-9? Keep the N.I.T.-picking coming. Or, I'll finally have to shut up.

This is too easy. At least, Chip makes me think.




 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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IL Tourney future
03-05-17 01:06 PM - Post#225012    
    In response to Tiger69

Of course there are far better metrics, but Harvard on back to back nights played even with both Penn and Princeton on the road before losing on a shot in the final seconds. Could one argue that the difference was home court advantage.

Shift home court advantage, having Princeton visit Penn the following weekend. Make the Princeton kids endure a week of classes and exams while Penn players enjoy a week off (spring break).

Think the League isn't concerned? Robin Harris was interviewed during the Harvard/Princeton game and volunteered that it was a priority of the league to try and remove the home court advantage claiming that even the Palestra court will look different. Even the league is getting a bit defensive about have the 14-0 league champ open up on the road against the 6-8 4th seed. Watch those otherwise languishing ticket sales explode as Penn fans snatch them up.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-05-17 01:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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03-05-17 01:08 PM - Post#225013    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Except that a lot of the Penn students will not be there because of Spring Break, just like they weren't there in droves over this past weekend, either.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-05-17 01:14 PM - Post#225015    
    In response to penn nation

Possibly, but there are only a limited number of student tix and I expect returning Penn students will snap them up. Harvard's and Yale's spring break starts Friday. Much easier for a Penn student to return a day early to his/her dorm room than for a Havard/Yale student to change vacation plans and travel 4 to 6 hours from campus. Only Princeton is in session.

I believe the Harvard vs Yale playoff occurred over spring break though.

 
SRP 
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03-05-17 01:18 PM - Post#225018    
    In response to penn nation

You know who's probably most happy about the tourney now? Yale. They are under the radar right now, the proverbial "middle child," giving Jones a chance to restore that chip on their shoulder. They must feel like they underperformed toward the end but now get a chance to show their quality against the regular-season elite with no home-court nonsense to muddy the waters.

 
Go Green 
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03-05-17 01:27 PM - Post#225021    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
Penn as an actual 4 draw is Princeton's worst nightmare.





Princeton just obliterated a team that beat Penn at the Palestra the previous evening.

 
PennFan10 
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IL Tourney future
03-05-17 02:01 PM - Post#225032    
    In response to Go Green

  • Go Green Said:
  • penn nation Said:
Penn as an actual 4 draw is Princeton's worst nightmare.





Princeton just obliterated a team that beat Penn at the Palestra the previous evening.



And Penn beat the team that took Princeton to the edge 2x, including the previous night. What's your point?



Edited by PennFan10 on 03-05-17 02:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 02:14 PM - Post#225035    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The NCAA could resolve this silly mess by simply giving Princeton a bid as well as the winner of the Tourney. If we win that, too, we sell it to the Big Ten (going on 20) and split the proceeds with fellow Ivies for real scholarships.

 
section110 
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Reg: 11-22-04
Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 02:24 PM - Post#225038    
    In response to Tiger69

The mess is completely the Ivy League's doing. The NCAA could care less which single Ivy League team shows up.

When Penn sweeps both the men's & women's titles, I'm sure Robin Harris & her masters will change the tourney next year to only allow H/Y/P in & play it at the Lavatory.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 02:31 PM - Post#225044    
    In response to section110

With you on the Ivy's self-destructive behavior.

But, given recent events, your fans should have the least to gripe about.

 
Go Green 
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Age: 46
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Re: IL Tourney future
03-05-17 02:35 PM - Post#225045    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
What's your point?





That Princeton is just better than Penn this year.

The court they play on should not matter.

 
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