penn nation
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03-10-17 12:33 PM - Post#226070
In response to palestra38
Growing up, the Big East teams were, like, you know, concentrated on the East Coast while the Big Ten teams were all in the Midwest.
Nowadays, there's very little to distinguish between the two conferences, at least geographically speaking.
You want a college basketball move done for the money? Maryland to the Big Whatever. Double the money of the ACC with none of the rivalries.
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Tiger69
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Penn again 03-10-17 12:41 PM - Post#226074
In response to TheLine
May some Penn fans one day be cursed with a sense of empathy!
Edited by Tiger69 on 03-10-17 12:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 12:45 PM - Post#226075
In response to Tiger69
If you've been reading, most Penn fans are old-school about the tournament (although that skews older--the younger ones with no memories of the true glory days are friendlier to the tournament).
So we sympathize with you. As far as Empathy goes...it's tough to feel empathy for anyone from Princeton.
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TheLine
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03-10-17 01:00 PM - Post#226080
In response to palestra38
I'm a Jersey boy. Empathy is something we read about in text books but don't have personal experience with.
If Princeton is an exception then we gotta build a wall around it. Pronto.
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Tiger69
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:07 PM - Post#226083
In response to palestra38
Well...situational empathy.
And true, P38, for all the needling and joking back and forth, you are one of several analytic posters from each of the rivals able occasionally to rise above our institutional prejudices to comment on a situation. Rivals as we all are, we still have to strive for high standards and an essential fairness within the IL. That's what, IMHO, sets us apart from the rest of college sports.
Whatever the outcome of the tourneys, I'll at least grudgingly support the winners. Much as a few of us hate to admit, we have a lot more that unites us than divides us.
I hope that it turns out to be a great tournament. Ergo, GO TIGERS!
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palestra38
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:23 PM - Post#226090
In response to Tiger69
Awwww shucks.
True gentlemanly affection. Now I know why I went Ivy (if only barely in your eyes). : )
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penn nation
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:33 PM - Post#226097
In response to Tiger69
Rivals as we all are, we still have to strive for high standards and an essential fairness within the IL.
Meaning H-Y or the occasional H-Y-P and then a free for all among the rest. This is the IL ideal of essential fairness.
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palestra38
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:43 PM - Post#226101
In response to penn nation
That's football. In basketball, it always was the best gets to move on--I respect that. If Harvard wants to use its brand to upgrade it's basketball program and hire a million dollar coach, I don't begrudge them for that.
I do begrudge Harvard and Yale insisting that their football game end the Ivy season as if the other 6 don't matter.
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penn nation
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:45 PM - Post#226102
In response to palestra38
Meanwhile, having this tourney now robs Ivy basketball of having the P-P game being the final one of the regular season.
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Tiger69
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:46 PM - Post#226103
In response to penn nation
Not of our making. Lean on the Trumpster to drop a few Bil $ on Warton (sp) and you, too, can join the frat. Penn, like PHY, should have plenty of ties to big money. Just be a little more loving to the old school!
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:49 PM - Post#226104
In response to penn nation
Sort of. Tomorrow's P-P game is the final game of the season for one, and the penultimate final for the other.
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palestra38
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 01:56 PM - Post#226107
In response to Tiger69
Trump has never made a sizeable (at least according to his supposed wealth) donation to Penn.
However, Penn's wealth has skyrocketed under the current Penn administration, which is why Amy Gutmann is now serving the longest Penn Presidency in modern history. So they're doing very well. If they wanted to, say, endow and restore a Division 1 hockey program, they easily could do it.
There is a difference however, in providing financial aid to 20,000 students as opposed to 5000....and Princeton's student body is, on the whole, wealthier and needs less aid. So if financial aid to athletes is based on giving financial aid to everyone, it's not exactly a level playing field for either the smaller, less wealthy schools (Dartmouth and Brown) or the larger schools (Penn and Cornell).
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03-10-17 02:09 PM - Post#226110
In response to palestra38
Any chance to beat Penn three times in one season can't be all bad, especially if two of those wins occur on special Palestra occasions (anniversary and first Ivy tournament game). Think of it as establishing a new tradition for Princeton, or a satellite home court.
And if the Tigers finish the job, going 16-0 will establish a standard that won't be surpassed until the league changes the tourney format again to let in more teams.
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palestra38
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03-10-17 02:17 PM - Post#226112
In response to SRP
There you go----making lemonade out of lemons
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Tiger69
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 02:47 PM - Post#226120
In response to palestra38
Agreed on dilemma for BCCD. But while Penn has a larger student body, they also have a much larger alumni population from whom to draw. No sympathy here.
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03-10-17 02:48 PM - Post#226121
In response to SRP
SRP -- If possible, please continue to post game activity over the weekend -- always an interesting read. Look forward to attending Game #1 of the NCAA Tournament or NIT after the dark cloud of the IL Tournament has lifted. I highly doubt it but hopefully, common sense returns.
Go Tigers!
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Tiger69
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 02:54 PM - Post#226122
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Cheeky. You are assuming that in its THIRD opportunity, h/y will finally succeed against the Tigers. Of course, it's a different deal in the unlikely event that the quackers are the opponent.
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Re: Penn again 03-10-17 03:05 PM - Post#226124
In response to Tiger69
Of course, both Harvard and Yale lost in their most recent game against Penn.
Well, enough of this. I hope a lot of Princeton people come down for the game, if for no other reason, to ensure a good atmosphere for the game.
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Tiger69
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03-10-17 03:10 PM - Post#226125
In response to palestra38
I would love to now. But the flights out of Guaymas suck
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03-10-17 03:18 PM - Post#226128
In response to Tiger69
I had to look up that airport---it's on the Mainland of Mexico---I thought you were near Cabo.
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