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Username Post: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee        (Topic#20072)
Tiger69 
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03-08-17 01:29 PM - Post#225600    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Frankly, if we lose in the Palestra, I couldn't care less about the NIT. Of course, that is the players' decision to make. I will applaud them, however, if they tell the NIT that they have better ways to spend their time.

But, we are getting ahead of ourselves. GO TIGERS! Win the stupid tourney for the bid you completely deserve!



 
bradley 
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03-08-17 02:31 PM - Post#225617    
    In response to westphillywarrior

  • westphillywarrior Said:

This was my post from 3/10/16:

"Here's the reason to be optimistic: All we have to do next year is finish fourth in the league and then win two games in the Palestra."

I don't think we win this one at Jadwin and I don't think we win this one on a neutral court. We are going to win this one at the Palestra.





The Ivy League -- excellence, achievement, strive to be the best you can be ... and then we have your comments, which may turn out to be true, along with the brilliant concept and tournament structure of the IL Championship.

The next Tiger basketball game that I will attend or watch will be the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament or NIT Tournament. It will certainly not be this weekend. Thanks for sharing!

 
SRP 
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03-08-17 03:43 PM - Post#225632    
    In response to bradley

Given their recent successes at the Palestra, I expect the Tigers to be confident for the semifinal game and comfy on the court, hopefully not tight because of the stakes. The refs and Penn's motivation are where the HCA may play out.

We anti-tourney folks have been harping on the unfairness of the low seed having HCA. It's a strong debating point, since nobody thinks that's a good thing. But the real danger is the next game, probably against Harvard, whom Princeton nipped at the end twice (albeit with superior game control).

 
Tiger69 
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03-08-17 03:54 PM - Post#225637    
    In response to SRP

Agreed. I'm more concerned about Harvard at this point. We certainly won't be taking Penn lightly, though.

 
Go Green 
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03-08-17 03:59 PM - Post#225641    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
I will applaud them, however, if they tell the NIT that they have better ways to spend their time.






A handful of teams have indeed done this. Pretty much all of them got laughed at by the rest of the world.

Trust me--you *do* want Princeton to take the NIT invitation if someone knocks them off this weekend.

 
Tiger69 
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Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-08-17 04:04 PM - Post#225644    
    In response to Go Green

Other than a little more play for the seniors and practice for the underclassmen, why? These are bright guys. If they think they have better things to do, they should. Why do we care what others might think?

Best option though: We never have to face that decision.

Edited by Tiger69 on 03-08-17 04:06 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-08-17 04:52 PM - Post#225663    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Other than a little more play for the seniors and practice for the underclassmen, why?



Here are some reasons

http://georgetownvoice.com/2002/03/14/the-season s-...

  • Tiger69 Said:


Best option though: We never have to face that decision.



No argument here. Good luck!

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-08-17 05:01 PM - Post#225670    
    In response to Go Green

Thanks for the attachment. Ironically, after reading it, I think that Georgetown and Escherick (?) made the correct decision. The coach owes everything to the concerns of his players and nothing to fans or other teams in the tournament. This is college, not professional sports.

 
sparman 
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Re: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-08-17 05:41 PM - Post#225687    
    In response to Tiger69

I'll watch the NIT if it comes to that, but I have always found Go Green's repetitive arguments on this issue to be way off base.

I suppose if we never sniffed the top division in the Ivies I might feel differently. But we do, and I don't.

 
SRP 
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03-08-17 07:20 PM - Post#225713    
    In response to sparman

I had fun watching the NIT games last year. I'd imagine they're pretty fun for the players, too, and especially for a team that feels like they've finally got the car running the way they want it, a few more spins on a twisty country road might be very satisfying.

 
bradley 
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Re: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-08-17 07:42 PM - Post#225718    
    In response to Tiger69

Gotta play in the NIT. Right thing to do. They may play deep into the NIT.

 
PennFan10 
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03-08-17 08:21 PM - Post#225731    
    In response to bradley

That's it guys, embrace the NIT, visualize it, anticipate it, it's the right thing to do!

 
bradley 
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03-08-17 08:30 PM - Post#225734    
    In response to PennFan10

Another way to think about it if penn loses, they might get a bid to the greater Philadelphia YMCA tourney.

 
Old Bear 
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03-08-17 09:36 PM - Post#225764    
    In response to bradley

Going back to the title of this thread, forget the stats arguments, Weisz is the oil in the P'ton engine. He deserves all the accolades he gets.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Weisz/Cook -- POY Nominee
03-09-17 10:49 AM - Post#225854    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Thanks for the attachment. Ironically, after reading it, I think that Georgetown and Escherick (?) made the correct decision. The coach owes everything to the concerns of his players and nothing to fans or other teams in the tournament. This is college, not professional sports.



I understand where you're coming from. But there guess here is that Esherick probably regretted the decision. As the article indicated, some of the Georgetown faithful was unhappy with the decision. They did go to the NIT the following year (Esherick didn't want to repeat the mistake?), but missed the postseason entirely the year after.

And then JTIII came on board.

Nice guys finish last?

 
bradley 
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04-01-17 09:33 PM - Post#228434    
    In response to Tiger84

Very cool to see Cook honored at Final Four with 19 other players for Community Service. He will be playing BB somewhere next year at a high level. He will be missed!!

 
westcoast 
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08-03-17 06:51 PM - Post#231600    
    In response to PennFan10

Both Cook and Weisz will be playing professionally overseas next year. Cook will play for BC Tartu in Estonia:
http://www.goprincetontigers.com/news/2017/7/29/me...

Weisz will play for Gilboa Galil in Israel - http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/israel/2433 19/s...

 
bradley 
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08-03-17 10:20 PM - Post#231614    
    In response to westcoast

It will be interesting to see how Cook and Weisz compete at the next level. Weisz will be playing with Zach LeDay from Virginia Tech who killed the Tigers in NIT play plus a very talented but erractic former St. John's player. Cook certainly has the advantage regarding the measurables but Weisz is Weisz.

Bray has done well overseas and will be playing at the highest level in Greece this upcoming season although he was injured most of last year. Of the three, I always thought that Cook may rise to the top but time will tell. Hummer performed well last year as well.

 
Tiger69 
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08-04-17 04:52 AM - Post#231616    
    In response to bradley

Is Kareem Maddox playing in Europe? Of the many fine players who have graduated in the past 10 years, he seemed to me to have the greatest pro potential based on his late development in his junior and senior years.

 
bradley 
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08-04-17 09:42 AM - Post#231626    
    In response to Tiger69

He played well last year in the top Polish league. He actually attempted a fair number of 3 pt shots and shot 36%. He was always a very good defender with length.

Maddox and Hummer were never great shooters from the outside and they were not tall enough to play the power forward position. Cook has an advantage of being able to play the #2 guard position although he does not have great one on one skills but he definitely has an upside.

 
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