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Username Post: Recruits' Post Season        (Topic#20073)
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-15-17 07:30 PM - Post#227168    
    In response to mrjames

Regarding Bassey, we both noted that Harvard was looking for a perimeter defender and considered a few options, mainly Bassey and Chatfield.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-15-17 07:55 PM - Post#227169    
    In response to Chet Forte

I think you may be misunderstanding where Mike is getting information on this stuff (and how ESPN is ranking recruits as well). My guess is that he probably has better access to what the Columbia coaches think about the incoming recruits than you do. So while you are correct that a lot of us only get info from one biased source, I don't think that is what you get from mrjames.

The services get better all the time, but they are prone to all of the problems you can imagine of trying to somehow rank or categorize over a thousand players every year.

And regardless of whether the services are right, the other question is always opportunity. That's why Oni was predictable -- if he was ready, once Mason went down there was no question he would start. That's why I think the Princeton guys are the favorites for next year. Seems like one of Much and Desrosiers could come in and start right away if they are ready, and they could do it on a strong balanced team where they wouldn't have to do it all. Could be that Faulds will ultimately be the best player. Could be that he will be ROY. But it looks to me like his chances as a freshman will be a little lower, as my guess is that Tape and Meisner start.

 
SRP 
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03-15-17 08:00 PM - Post#227170    
    In response to SomeGuy

Wasn't Bruner hampered by a knee ding most of the season? He seemed to step it up a lot in the last few games. He is obviously hugely talented just watching him move when the ball comes his way, on both ends of the floor.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-15-17 08:15 PM - Post#227171    
    In response to mrjames

Yes, Cornell is interesting. I kind of assume that Earl knew what he was looking for and got it. But nobody stands out in an obvious way. Verbal commits offers and McKenzie's teammates suggest that the guards might be better than the forwards (which I guess is bad news for a team that had to play small this year). But again, Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth all look significantly behind the other five to me.

Your list is interesting. Surprised Scott is that low. Djuricic is interesting on the playing time front. Obviously Amaker isn't afraid to drop guys from the rotation as he goes, but it seems like Harvard will return a pretty clear top 6, plus lots of other pieces. So even if he is awesome, it might be hard to shoulder into a big role initially.

A couple guys who I'm curious about who aren't on the list are Aluassa and Brown's incoming point. Any word on them? Tier IV?!

 
Old Bear 
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03-15-17 08:54 PM - Post#227174    
    In response to SomeGuy

On paper, I believe Brown has a great incoming group. But, I want to see them against college level competition before I start predicting how they will preform.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-15-17 09:35 PM - Post#227176    
    In response to Old Bear

I'm sorry to seem so down on them. It's just that the public offers for the Brown guys are much less impressive than those of a lot of the other schools, and nobody seems to give any of the Brown guys more than 2 stars (while 10 players of that level are coming in elsewhere). Brown may well have a group that fits on paper, but my concern is that they're not going toe to toe with schools at a higher level and coming out ahead. I think the gap is widening right now between the haves and have nots in the Ivy. Hopefully, in the next couple of years Brown gets in the mix for the kinds of recruits who are ending up at Harvard, Yale, Penn, and Princeton.

 
Chet Forte 
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03-16-17 10:13 AM - Post#227206    
    In response to SomeGuy

One thing I noticed about the Columbia group is that all of the top four had committed by around September and presumably are early admits. I wonder how many went to the Columbia summer camp, but my guess is that this has become a must for the schools to attract good recruits.


 
cc66 
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Recruits' Post Season
03-16-17 05:18 PM - Post#227373    
    In response to SomeGuy

Sg--why do you think Tape will start over Faulds?Is that an endorsement of Tape's one year greater experience, his potential, or just an assumption that even good first year centers don't start? And what do you think of Meissner/Faulds/Tape as a possible starting front line?

Edited by cc66 on 03-16-17 05:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: cruits&#039; Post Season
03-16-17 07:30 PM - Post#227404    
    In response to cc66

All of the above on Tape.

Personally, I don't think you can play all 3 together in the modern game. Even if you could, I think Engles prefers to play small. If you are playing Harvard, Princeton, or Penn next year, who does Meisner guard? I just don't think he's going to do very well chasing Amir Bell around. And that's the 3rd big -- you're also going to have Tape chasing Towns, Stephens, or Betley around at the 4 spot.

Of course, I said the same thing last year about Columbia playing big, and I was right all year. Right up until the last game with Yale, when Engles played 3 bigs together for long stretches. You can do it against Yale, because they play 2 more traditional bigs (Reynolds can stretch the floor, but a big can guard him). So then the only match up problem is Oni.

Anyway, I predict that only 2 bigs play at once next year, and the other 3 starters are smith, Hickman, and Castlin.


 
Dr. V 
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Recruits' Post Season
03-18-17 02:19 AM - Post#227526    
    In response to SomeGuy

Chaska won the 8-team sectional title 41-39 & is "going to the State," although I don't know what that means in MN other than they're playing on. Of greater interest, Hanson won the game on a drive and floater with 2.6 seconds to go and finished with 10 pts, 9 rebounds, 5 assists and a steal.

Edited by Dr. V on 03-18-17 02:20 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
hoopsfan 
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Re: cruits&#039; Post Season
03-29-17 11:27 AM - Post#228296    
    In response to Dr. V

Myles Hanson AP 3rd Team All State Minnesota. The other third team seniors are going to Texas, Siean, and Western Illinois:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/minn esota/...

 
cc66 
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03-29-17 11:56 AM - Post#228299    
    In response to hoopsfan

Although most of the 3rd team all-state players are, like Hanson, unranked, the Texas bound center does get an ESPN-84.

Next year, Faulds, Stefannini, and Hanson will each offer an intriguing test of the ranking's predictive value (yes, I know it may take more than one year...)

 
LionFan 
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03-29-17 03:22 PM - Post#228309    
    In response to cc66

Randall Brumant sounds like he has potential to contribute, too. He took home first team all-New England Class A honors from NEPSAC. That's third level prep ball, with a bunch of post-grads (like Brumant, himself). Is that meaningful? Did anyone see him play?

 
cc66 
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03-29-17 03:55 PM - Post#228311    
    In response to LionFan

active, big wing span, defensive specialist, but how this translates to D1 is anyone's guess.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-30-17 09:02 PM - Post#228371    
    In response to cc66

One caveat on the "intriguing test" of ratings "predictive powers": these 3 will just be additional data points, so we shouldn't read too much into what happens with an individual recruit. The rankings give us a sense of the odds that a given recruit develops into a star. They do best over a larger number of recruits. What happens in an individual case doesn't do much of anything to prove or disprove their predictive value. If you flip a coin and get heads twice in a row, that doesn't mean your odds are something other than 50/50.

The other thing to remember is that Columbia only had one guy who was above 2 stars last year (Davis). That means you can pretty much guarantee that multiple 2 star guys will be double digit scorers for Columbia. Cornell and Brown had nobody above 2 stars. So those teams are going to have 2 star players who will be statistically similar to whoever is leading Harvard in scoring. Doesn't mean they are equal players.

 
cc66 
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03-30-17 10:38 PM - Post#228373    
    In response to SomeGuy

In one sense, of course, you're right: these three recruits are just a couple of more data points in a much bigger discussion. What I meant, however, was that this year, this long-running discussion seems to have crystallized, in particular, around these three recruits. Incorporating a variety of subthemes (why doesn't Faulds with an ESPN 80 get more respect; do we reverse inputs and outcomes, i.e., if he were going to Princeton, would that automatically mean he was better; will either Hanson or Stefannini prove to be one of those under-the-radar guys?), it has come--at least to Columbia fans--to be invested with much more meaning.

 
Chet Forte 
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03-31-17 10:21 AM - Post#228387    
    In response to cc66

Acceptance letters went out yesterday. 5.8% was second lowest in the Ivies. So we must be doing something right. As far as ratings being predictive, I seem to recall that Lo was not highly rated. Nor, for that matter, was this year's POY, Spencer Weiss.


 
Dr. V 
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Reg: 11-21-04
04-09-17 07:43 PM - Post#228654    
    In response to Chet Forte

One of the two state-wide papers in MI, the Detroit Free Press, just ran its all-everything teams in today's edition. In addition to a combined classes (in MI, there are 4 based on size, with Class A containing the largest schools etc.) so-called "Dream Team," the paper also listed first, second and third all-state teams for each class. Faulds made the Class A first team:

Jaron Faulds

Jaron Faulds
Jaron Faulds (Photo: Courtesy photo)
Holt

6-10, Sr., C

The talented big man has always been an elite defender, but he developed a consistent offensive attack last season, averaging 17 points, 11.5 rebounds and four blocks. A four-year starter at Holt, Faulds will play Ivy League basketball at Columbia.

Coach Matt Essell: “He’s an outstanding defensive player and fixes a lot of things for us. He really started to improve his mid-range game on offense, those 15- to 18-foot jumpers. He’s a great back-to-the-basket scorer and also an amazing passer.”



 
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