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Username Post: League Nightmare        (Topic#20100)
Chet Forte 
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03-09-17 10:48 AM - Post#225853    

The IL made a monumental mistake in using the Palestra for the initial tournament. It means that a very mediocre Penn team with a losing record gets to play a home game against an undefeated Princeton team, which, and we all know based upon our first game against Princeton, can be beaten. We all know how worked up the Penn fans are going to be. We also know how it is very tough for any visiting team to play 5 versus 8 at the Palestra. So Penn may very well upset Princeton. If that happens, Princeton will not get a second bid and it will be a footnote to history.


 
Go Green 
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03-09-17 11:06 AM - Post#225860    
    In response to Chet Forte


May I respectfully suggest that the "nightmare" scenario is really an undefeated Princeton playing a strong #2 Penn seed? In that case, the HCA could very well be the difference in the came even if Princeton plays well.

Princeton *should* beat this Penn team. If they blow it, it will be because they played like crap, and not because of HCA.

 
palestra38 
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03-09-17 11:15 AM - Post#225864    
    In response to Go Green

The reason they used the Palestra is pretty obvious--they have an ESPN 2 Selection Sunday final and wanted it to be someplace that they can take some pride in.

Next year it's likely to be in a different place, especially if Penn upsets Princeton, but given the time frame in planning this and obtaining TV coverage, there was no other place to play.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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03-09-17 11:19 AM - Post#225866    
    In response to Go Green

In the event Princeton wins Saturday, I wonder if Harvard/Yale could entice the returning students to fill the stands and root against Princeton? Free Pizza?

 
Go Green 
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03-09-17 11:19 AM - Post#225867    
    In response to palestra38


Anyone who cares about my opinion, I love the Palestra and would be fine with it being the permanent location of the Ivy tournament.

Should be a good weekend!

 
Go Green 
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03-09-17 11:26 AM - Post#225868    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
In the event Princeton wins Saturday, I wonder if Harvard/Yale could entice the returning students to fill the stands and root against Princeton? Free Pizza?



That's pretty much what Bucknell did for the Northern Iowa students/band after they got eliminated and Bucknell was about to play Kansas in the next game.

It worked.

 
palestra38 
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03-09-17 11:27 AM - Post#225869    
    In response to Go Green

Well, other than my ongoing belief that we need to send our best team to the Tournament and that a playoff takes away from that goal (I would feel differently if I thought there was any chance of a 2nd bid, but I don't think there is any such chance), I agree with you. But if Penn knocks off Princeton, you have to think there will be a clamor to play in a neutral site.

 
palestra38 
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03-09-17 11:30 AM - Post#225870    
    In response to Go Green

I don't know if Northern Iowa students have the same capacity as, say Penn students, to take over a bar and order bottle service.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/penn-parties -pho...

Don't know if Pizza will get it done.

Then again, Penn students aren't going to be there no matter what....we alums can more easily be bribed to watch basketball. Hell, I went to the Harvard-Yale playoff game at the Palestra a couple of years ago.

 
Go Green 
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03-09-17 11:33 AM - Post#225872    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I don't know if Northern Iowa students have the same capacity as, say Penn students, to take over a bar and order bottle service.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/penn-parties -pho...

Don't know if Pizza will get it done.




Sounds like the movie "The Social Network" really changed things for Ivy parties.


 
TheLine 
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League Nightmare
03-09-17 11:34 AM - Post#225873    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I agree with Go Green and P38. Princeton knows how to win at the Palestra, they do it with regularity.

The Palestra was an obvious place to play the initial tournament, it's the flagship basketball arena of the league. It's unfortunate that a below .500 Penn team will wind up getting home court advantage, but the alternatives were :

1) Split the women's and man's finals. But the league didn't want to do that.

2) Play at the home court of the top seed. But which top seed, the men's or women's? What if the top seed's home arena isn't big enough to host?

3) Host at generic available decent size arena. The one in Bridgeport, CT was one option offered up in a separate thread. Issues are that a) limited charm in having the initial tournament not on/near one of the campuses; b) unclear what attendance will be, the Palestra will look good for TV regardless.

4) Don't have a tournament because 'fair' would have the winner of the regular season go to the tournament.

I'm guessing if this tournament is a success then the league is going to have to figure out how to make option 3) work.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-09-17 11:48 AM - Post#225880    
    In response to TheLine

I'm still pulling for Mohegan Sun Arena!

Filled with bars, restaurants, pedestrian space, convention halls and even free parking. All INSIDE! Temps range from high of 33 to low of 17 degrees Saturday in Philly!



 
palestra38 
Professor
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League Nightmare
03-09-17 11:49 AM - Post#225882    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Luckily, they are playing indoors. It's not as though the streets of Philadelphia will be anything like those faced by Mark Wahlberg in "The Martian" as people head out to restaurants and bars after the game.

Edited by palestra38 on 03-09-17 11:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-09-17 11:51 AM - Post#225883    
    In response to palestra38

Yes, but parking is not good around the Palestra. Walked 15 minutes in similar weather last weekend.

Any suggestions on parking for this weekend?

 
TheLine 
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03-09-17 12:02 PM - Post#225885    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

By the tennis court, if that's an option. It's a bit tricky to find though.

If not then there are parking facilities not far away - 34th St above Chestnut or the one across from Franklin Field on South St.


 
palestra38 
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03-09-17 12:06 PM - Post#225887    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Yes, but don't tell anyone I told you this.

On the Walnut Street Bridge, between 30th and 33rd Streets, there are 12 hour meters for $5. Get a street spot, and you can walk into the Palestra from the rear entrance by descending the staircase at 32nd Street.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
03-09-17 12:08 PM - Post#225888    
    In response to palestra38

Thanks.

 
TheLine 
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League Nightmare
03-09-17 12:18 PM - Post#225893    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The tennis center option - which works well for Friday and Saturday night games after the tennis center is closed but not so well during the day : make right off Chestnut onto 31st St, which leads you to lower Walnut St. Make right and left. Or make left to lot by the new fields. You then need to take the walk bridge at the far side of the tennis center.

Don't tell anyone I gave you this tip.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
03-09-17 12:22 PM - Post#225894    
    In response to TheLine

I think I parked there last Sat night. Lot said all day parking for $13 and everyone was paying it. I parked on the adjacent street for $2.25 (MAX thru 8pm) and tried to advise others waiting in line to pay to do the same. Windy walk to Will Call up steps on Walnut.

 
TheLine 
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03-09-17 12:28 PM - Post#225895    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I used to park in the tennis center lot for free right by the base of the walk bridge - but that only ever works for low attendance games. So it won't apply this coming weekend.


 
LionFan 
Senior
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Reg: 11-07-06
03-10-17 01:05 PM - Post#226081    
    In response to TheLine

Rather than a nightmare, I think the league should be overjoyed its first round games feature its top rivalries. What's better in the Ivies than Penn-Princeton and Harvard-Yale? (After Columbia versus anyone, I mean.)

 
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