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Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 02:08 AM - Post#226444    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

182 miles from Payne Whitney to Palestra. So added a good 37% in fake news miles to that trip.

312 miles from Lavietes. Only 12% exaggeration!


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 02:15 AM - Post#226446    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Find a central location and you can reduce those numbers even further! How would Penn fans feel if the game took place in New Hampshire?


 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 02:19 AM - Post#226448    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Name a venue in New Hampshire you think the league should consider.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 02:34 AM - Post#226450    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Guess you (choose?) to overlook the entire point. Even if there were a physically acceptable structure at the northern tip of the league's empire, it would similarly be unsuitable, especially for those asked to drive 362 miles northeasterly.

By my rough count on the league's ticketing site, almost 3,500 tix remain unsold for tomorrow's noon tipoff. Could be more empty seats if Harvard, Brown and Penn fans fail to use their tournament package tix. Playoff fever - catch it!

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-12-17 02:45 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 03:07 AM - Post#226453    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

If it's a quality venue like the Palestra, I'm sure Penn would be ecstatic to go to New Hampshire.


 
palestra38 
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03-12-17 06:58 PM - Post#226600    
    In response to Chip Bayers

The only thing that made no sense was playing the Penn-Princeton game first. Had it been the other way around, it would have been packed. Probably sold the Penn-Princeton game for that ESPNU spot. But as an event, the Penn-Princeton game should have been the finale.

What needs to happen to make it an event is scheduling spring breaks around the tournament. As long as all but one school are on break, the tournament will be missing the key factor for good atmosphere---students.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 07:51 PM - Post#226618    
    In response to palestra38

Top seed was scheduled to have more time between rounds.

 
Old Bear 
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03-12-17 08:39 PM - Post#226632    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

So, next year, Quarters played Fri. at the higher seed. Finals at neutral site on Sunday. The Cathedral was wonderful and the League acknowledged the anniversary, but the attendance was mediocre. No reason to give Penn the home team edge.

 
digamma 
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03-12-17 09:21 PM - Post#226651    
    In response to Old Bear

Honestly, the atmosphere Saturday was fantastic. Of course the Penn-Princeton game was the highlight because of the local draw, but still, that was a great day of basketball showcasing the league. Despite the poor shooting and gut wrenching defeat, it was one of the more fun experiences I've had watching sports (Harvard vs. Vandy at the Pit ranks up there too).

 
digamma 
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03-12-17 09:25 PM - Post#226652    
    In response to digamma

I get keeping both tournaments together. That's cool, but the noon Sunday tip was an absolute killer. Arena was dead and teams were tired. First ten minutes were brutal.



 
H78 
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03-16-17 02:50 AM - Post#227192    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
So, next year, Quarters played Fri. at the higher seed. Finals at neutral site on Sunday. The Cathedral was wonderful and the League acknowledged the anniversary, but the attendance was mediocre. No reason to give Penn the home team edge.


This makes a lot of sense. In fact, so much sense, they'll probably not do it. Great idea, though.

 
palestra38 
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03-16-17 10:48 AM - Post#227212    
    In response to H78

Actually, the attendance was pretty good--from what I understand, they sold about 6500 tickets. Had the students been in session and they reduced the ticket price about 1/3, I'm sure it would have sold out. I do not believe it was marketed well for the live event--you obviously do not play the premier game first. The way I would do it is play two double headers on Friday (with the women's during the day-we love them, but that's not the reason people buy the tickets) and a night men's doubleheader. Then the finals in a doubleheader Sunday afternoon.

You'll never get people from all the schools to come to a tournament unless you put all the schools into it. Otherwise, people will make their plans last minute, as happened here.

 
Go Green 
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03-16-17 12:17 PM - Post#227216    
    In response to Chip Bayers

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Name a venue in New Hampshire you think the league should consider.



http://www.snhuarena.com/

Other than being in New Hampshire, it's as good a venue as any as others being listed.

 
Go Green 
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03-16-17 12:19 PM - Post#227217    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
No reason to give Penn the home team edge.



Many, many reasons have been given for having it at the Palestra.

Again, the league wants to have both the men's and women's tourneys together. So why are we talking about having a game "at the higher seed's home court"?

 
palestra38 
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03-16-17 12:44 PM - Post#227226    
    In response to Go Green

Any place that has 38 draft beer towers should be considered.

 
Old Bear 
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03-16-17 03:37 PM - Post#227343    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38]Actually, the attendance was pretty good--from what I understand, they sold about 6500 tickets. Had the students been in session and they reduced the ticket price about 1/3, I'm sure it would have sold out. I do not believe it was marketed well for the live event--you obviously do not play the premier game first. The way I would do it is play two double headers on Friday (with the women's during the day-we love them, but that's not the reason people buy the tickets) and a night men's doubleheader. Then the finals in a doubleheader Sunday afternoon. /quote Said:

If both the Men's and Women's Quarters were played at the home of the higher seed on Fri. and the Finals in a doubleheader at a neutral site, I would expect many more than 6500 tickets would be sold.
(Sorry, I screwed up the quote)

Edited by Old Bear on 03-16-17 03:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Yale
03-16-17 03:57 PM - Post#227352    
    In response to Old Bear

You really think that more than 6500 people will arrange to come to a neutral site between Philadelphia and Hanover NH with 1 day's lead time? I doubt it.

 
bradley 
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03-17-17 08:54 AM - Post#227441    
    In response to Go Green

"Many, many reasons have been given for having it at the Palestra.

Again, the league wants to have both the men's and women's tourneys together. So why are we talking about having a game "at the higher seed's home court"



Interesting thought that because the league and others have provided "many many" reasons, the IL should leave the game at the Palestra. There are good reasons and bad reasons to keep the game at the Palestra. Giving Penn a 3.7 or so pt advantage at the beginning of a game if they participate in the IL Tournament meets the definition of a bad reason. Do good reasons overcome a bad reason?

This year, an improved Penn team had an opportunity to pull off the perfect storm and if not for a missed FT by a wonderful player with 12 seconds to go, probably a different story. Penn as a #16 seed if they beat Yale has the challenge of being the 10th team out of 126 prior #16 seeds to lose by less than double digits.

I am not sure why some folks are adverse to giving a competitive edge or at least neutrality for the team that earns the regular season IL Championship. It is almost like let's see if we can make it more difficult for the best team to go to the Big Dance -- fascinating.

 
Go Green 
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03-17-17 10:22 AM - Post#227451    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:


Interesting thought that because the league and others have provided "many many" reasons, the IL should leave the game at the Palestra. There are good reasons and bad reasons to keep the game at the Palestra. Giving Penn a 3.7 or so pt advantage at the beginning of a game if they participate in the IL Tournament meets the definition of a bad reason. Do good reasons overcome a bad reason?



That is an entirely different question.

The original poster said that there was "no reason" to keep the game at the Palestra.

If people want to debate whether the pros outweigh the cons of having the tourney at the Palestra, then go to town. But to simply cite Penn's home court advantage and ignore everything else doesn't strike me as very convincing advocacy.

 
palestra38 
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03-17-17 01:56 PM - Post#227475    
    In response to Go Green

The unfairness of playing on a home site of one of the teams and the risk that we don't send our best team are the two good arguments not to have a tournament at all.

I see no good argument to have a tournament that is played at home courts. Zero. You don't do that just for the 3.7 point (I don't know if it's even that high--it's the perception more than anything else). Playing on a neutral court is a possibility, but you pay much more and no matter what the love may be for a casino (I hate them myself), it's no substitute in atmosphere for the Palestra. Only NYC makes any sense to me, for marketing sake.

 
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