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Username Post: Publicity Watch        (Topic#20123)
dperry 
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03-11-17 11:56 AM - Post#226213    

Not a bloody thing about the Ivies on the main ESPN college hoops page, at least the mobile version. Also, the men's games are going up against the Big10, SEC, and A10. Lot of attention we're going to get.
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palestra38 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-11-17 12:36 PM - Post#226224    
    In response to dperry

Great interview with AJ on Action News here this morning---he said no one wants to face them now---they have nothing to lose.

Team did look very loose at run through yesterday.

 
SRP 
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03-11-17 01:57 PM - Post#226252    
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Yeah, I noticed the total eclipse of Ivy hoops also. Must be the last conference to finish and it isn't even an afterthought. Huge loss of attention from the earlier system.

 
westphillywarrior 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-11-17 02:04 PM - Post#226254    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
Great interview with AJ on Action News here this morning---he said no one wants to face them now---they have nothing to lose.

Team did look very loose at run through yesterday.



I guess it's ok for AJ to say there's nothing to lose, he has three more years.
To me, a chance to go to the NCAA Tournament by winning twice at the Palestra is an awesome opportunity.
Let's win this for Matt Howard.


 
dperry 
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03-11-17 02:24 PM - Post#226263    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Still nothing on ESPN.
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dperry 
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03-11-17 05:16 PM - Post#226364    
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And still nothing on ESPN.
David Perry
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dperry 
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03-11-17 07:59 PM - Post#226402    
    In response to dperry

OK, now home and looking at the desktop ESPN site, and finally a highlight of the big Yale dunk near the end, and a couple of tweets. Still not anything like what Yale got the last weekend of the season last year.
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penn nation 
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03-11-17 10:58 PM - Post#226420    
    In response to dperry

Write-up by John Feinstein and he's on board for having it at the Palestra every year:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ivy...

Edited by penn nation on 03-11-17 10:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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03-11-17 11:11 PM - Post#226422    
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Probably pretty hard to find any players or coaches who dislike this thing to come out in public. The happy-talk propaganda is pretty deafening. But it's been a publicity fiasco so far relative to the past few years.

 
penn nation 
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03-11-17 11:14 PM - Post#226424    
    In response to SRP

Who was kvetching about any issues related to holding it at the Palestra when this was first announced?

No-one.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-11-17 11:20 PM - Post#226427    
    In response to penn nation

Only thing that gave this any buzz at all was that we got another edition of College Basketball's Greatest Rivalry. The place mostly emptied out after the P-P game.

I shudder to think what this event will be like on a neutral court in New England like Bridgeport or Providence.


 
dperry 
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03-11-17 11:21 PM - Post#226428    
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  • penn nation Said:
Who was kvetching about any issues related to holding it at the Palestra when this was first announced?

No-one.



I think a large part of that was that a lot of people didn't think Penn was going to make it.
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SRP 
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03-11-17 11:22 PM - Post#226429    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Wrong, PN. Lots of people thought the Palestra was a crazy idea from jump. It still is if Penn participates.

 
Go Green 
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03-11-17 11:43 PM - Post#226430    
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  • Chip Bayers Said:
. The place mostly emptied out after the P-P game.





This assertion may be technically accurate as far as it goes.

But the place looked fairly full for most of the H-Y game. At least that's is not the way it came across on TV.

Maybe ESPNU used CGI?

 
penn nation 
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03-11-17 11:48 PM - Post#226431    
    In response to dperry

Precisely. And I bet no-one was raising any kind of stink when Penn started out 0-6, either.

  • dperry Said:
  • penn nation Said:
Who was kvetching about any issues related to holding it at the Palestra when this was first announced?

No-one.



I think a large part of that was that a lot of people didn't think Penn was going to make it.




 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 12:14 AM - Post#226433    
    In response to Go Green

  • Go Green Said:
  • Chip Bayers Said:
. The place mostly emptied out after the P-P game.





This assertion may be technically accurate as far as it goes.

But the place looked fairly full for most of the H-Y game. At least that's is not the way it came across on TV.

Maybe ESPNU used CGI?



Yeah I was there and this wasn't remotely true.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 01:35 AM - Post#226440    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Was at the Palestra today. First game was decidedly a home game for Penn.

Place felt empty for second game. Long trip from New England to southernmost locale. Harvard band was late to the game after working last night's hockey game.

Buzz I heard was that this was the nail in the coffin for holding the tournament here again. Palestra is a wonderful place, if you're Penn. Penn historical banners that were supposed to be coming down stayed up.

I don't see any chance that the tourney is held here again as a supposedly 'neutral' site. Not a knock on the Palestra, just the wrong thing to do. League dodged a major bullet when Princeton pulled the game out in OT.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-12-17 01:37 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 01:56 AM - Post#226442    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The evidence derived from the second game is that this was a poorly planned and priced event and the only thing worse than having it in the Palestra is having it anywhere else.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 02:12 AM - Post#226445    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Any predetermined home locale is a mistake - unless it rotates every year, in which case the glaring inequity is accepted. Even so, a location on the periphery (e.g., the "Southernmost Point") presents unique issues. Imagine how few Dartmouth or Cornell fans would have made this trip!

You might be right, there may not be a better option. If the Penn and Princeton fans hadn't flooded the place, it would have been embarrassingly dead. As posted on the Penn board, after the P-P game the place emptied, leaving approx 2,500 fans, including Princeton fans who stuck around to scout since they had already paid for the seats. This is remarkable given the usual intensity and loyalty of Yale and Harvard basketball fans.

The paucity of coverage doesn't surprise me. Ivy alums are the only ones that care about our intra-family contest. The country only cares when a mid-major has a chance to pull an upset, not when mid-majors scrimmage amongst themselves for the privilege of trying to pull that upset.

If the players and coaches want this that's great. Just don't expect anyone else in the country to care.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 02:50 AM - Post#226451    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • Quote:
Imagine how few Dartmouth or Cornell fans would have made this trip!



In the fin aid and AI landscape of the "new" Ivy dictated by HYP, I think Dartmouth and Brown are crap out of luck. So let's not worry about Dartmouth. Cornell is the only concern here, as the other big population school alongside Penn which might qualify for the 4 seed in this ridiculous format.

When you start running down the list of oft-mentioned "neutral" locales listed as potential sites - Bridgeport, Hartford, Providence Civic Center, etc. - in all cases Philadelphia is closer to Ithaca than any of them.

Just for example, the Palestra is 229 miles from Newman Arena. It's 257 miles to Webster Bank in Bridgeport, 280 miles to the XL Center in Hartford.

I suppose they could look at someplace like the Times-Union Center in Albany, since even when the MAAC tourney is held there as it was this year (on the HOME COURT of conference member Siena), it's done before the Sat.-Sun. of Selection Weekend. T-U Center is equidistant from Lavietes & Newman (166 mi. in each case) & 235 mi. from the Palestra - farther for Penn to travel to than the Palestra is from Yale.

But screw 'em if they can't take a joke, amiright?

Still, good luck getting an Ivy student or alum not named Rockefeller or Roosevelt to go to Albany voluntarily in March. Or any other month.



Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-12-17 03:04 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger84 
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03-12-17 09:18 AM - Post#226461    
    In response to Go Green

Lot of folks left to grab bite to eat or check into hotels, the next came back for 2nd half of H-Y and the 2nd women's game.

 
Go Green 
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03-12-17 11:24 AM - Post#226474    
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  • Tiger84 Said:
Lot of folks left to grab bite to eat or check into hotels, the next came back for 2nd half of H-Y and the 2nd women's game.



That would account for the discrepancies between what TV viewers saw and what people who say that they were there are describing.

It looked like great TV. Maybe the EPSN guys are used to placing the camera where there are fans.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-12-17 11:46 AM - Post#226479    
    In response to Go Green

The place was EMPTY for the second women's game. I was there.

H-Y seemed rather empty as well. 2,500 (at best) in an arena that seats 3.5X that felt very strange. The arena was empty compared to just 7 nights before - I was at both games. It's one thing to play in a vacuous MSG or Prudential Center, somewhat anticlimactic to play in the Palestra without even the attendance of a regular season game.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-12-17 11:47 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-12-17 11:50 AM - Post#226481    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
The place was EMPTY for the second women's game. I was there.

H-Y seemed rather empty as well. 2,500 (at best) in an arena that seats 3.5X that felt very strange. The arena was empty compared to just 7 nights before - I was at both games. It's one thing to play in a vacuous MSG or Prudential Center, somewhat anticlimactic to play in the Palestra without even the attendance of a regular season game.



Friend, I believe you.

But if it makes you feel better, the H-Y game didn't come across as "empty" on television.

Going to tune in soon for the championship.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 12:03 PM - Post#226482    
    In response to Go Green

There's nobody there.


 
Chip Bayers 
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03-12-17 12:36 PM - Post#226499    
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Who compiled an all-time All-Ivy First Team that had Jeremy Lin on it? Bradley, McMillian, Allen, Maloney, and ... Lin?

Princeton and Penn alone have a good 6-7 guys each who were better Ivy players than Lin in their careers. Even Harvard in its decrepit basketball history prior to the last ten years had at least a couple.


 
Go Green 
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03-12-17 01:30 PM - Post#226520    
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  • Chip Bayers Said:
Who compiled an all-time All-Ivy First Team that had Jeremy Lin on it? Bradley, McMillian, Allen, Maloney, and ... Lin?





I was thinking the same thing.

 
section110 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-13-17 09:22 AM - Post#226706    
    In response to Go Green

I assume it was ESPN who had the security guards waving to us in the upper level to move down to the chair backs lower level early in the women's final and that's why the place looked more filled on TV than it was & looked inside the Palestra.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-13-17 09:38 AM - Post#226710    
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  • section110 Said:
I assume it was ESPN who had the security guards waving to us in the upper level to move down to the chair backs lower level early in the women's final and that's why the place looked more filled on TV than it was & looked inside the Palestra.



Always a small victory when you buy rafter seats for a game, and the guards tell you to move down to the lower bowl so it looks better for television.

That's happened to me twice at NBA games.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Publicity Watch
03-13-17 10:08 AM - Post#226713    
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Back in the early 1980s in the old Chicago Stadium we were at the season finale for the non-playoff bound Bulls. We were way up in the balcony and the guards had us come down--we had front row seats on the baseline. Later got an autograph from a sweat-drenched Herb Williams (then a Pacer) as he was leaving the court.

 
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