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Username Post: Thoughts from a curmudgeon        (Topic#20133)
penn nation 
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03-15-17 02:21 PM - Post#227123    
    In response to Cvonvorys

  • Cvonvorys Said:
...the first place team receiving a bye played at Mohegun Sun. I can get behind this.



I think all schools would be in favor of the first place team getting a bye to be played at Mohegan Sun.


 
caughtinasnare 
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03-15-17 02:56 PM - Post#227131    
    In response to penn nation

How about 3 and 4 play, then winner plays 2, then winner of that plays 1?

 
palestra38 
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03-15-17 02:58 PM - Post#227134    
    In response to caughtinasnare

That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.

 
caughtinasnare 
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03-15-17 03:01 PM - Post#227136    
    In response to caughtinasnare

Actually, how about this: Play the 3/4 game at the 3's home court. Then play the semi-final and final at The Palestra. If Penn is the 4 seed like the men were this year, they go on the road for the first game. If they win, you could at least argue they "earned" something by advancing, with the tradeoff and advantage for the 2 seed being that they would then be more rested. Maybe do Wednesday, Friday, Sunday for the tournament?

 
Silver Maple 
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03-15-17 03:08 PM - Post#227139    
    In response to caughtinasnare

Anybody have a sense of the cost differential between a neutral site (like Mohegan Son) and The Palestra? I'm sure the league is thinking about that.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-15-17 05:37 PM - Post#227155    
    In response to Silver Maple

The League has maintained that this is not about money. We'll see.

By the way, letting Penn as a 3 or 4 seed host a higher seed at the Palestra is always going to be a problem.

How about Friday night (either at the home campus or at Mohegan Sun) and then Sunday noon at Mohegan Sun? Play was sloppy Sunday, possibly due to the quick turnaround.

 
Big R&B Truth 
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Thoughts from a curmudgeon
03-15-17 09:45 PM - Post#227177    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.




The outdoor courts next to Gimbel Gym would have been a good location for the 7-8 game. To bad they don't exist anymore.

 
final479 
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon
03-15-17 09:52 PM - Post#227178    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

  • Big R&B Truth Said:
  • palestra38 Said:
That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.




The outdoor courts next to Gimbel Gym would have been a good location for the 7-8 game. To bad they don't exist anymore.




... the sad part is that some of the guys from outside @ Gimbel could beat this Penn team

 
caughtinasnare 
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03-15-17 11:46 PM - Post#227187    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

It appears to only be a problem to the fans, if the coaches of the #1 seed and #2 seed in the first tournament both said that it should only be played in the Palestra...

That said, as a NYer, I'd love it to be closer to home for me, however having attended the Penn vs Harvard game to end the regular season, I say that strictly for selfish reasons. The Palestra really is a magical place and the only place that this should happen if we want it to mean anything beyond just a few basketball games.

Edited by caughtinasnare on 03-15-17 11:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-16-17 12:08 AM - Post#227189    
    In response to caughtinasnare

I agree that the Palestra has the most character, but:
1. It is inconvenient for some as the southernmost locale; and
2. Giving any team a perpetual home court advantage isn't acceptable in any way.

I'm sure the coaches you reference were very complimentary, but coaches are not paid to lose, especially when that loss costs them the league championship and NCAA slot. When they get to voice their true feelings, don't expect guys like Henderson and Amaker - or any coach other than Donahue - to gleefully volunteer to give up home court advantage ... forever.

 
PennFan10 
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03-16-17 12:34 AM - Post#227190    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
I agree that the Palestra has the most character, but:
1. It is inconvenient for some as the southernmost locale; and
2. Giving any team a perpetual home court advantage isn't acceptable in any way.

I'm sure the coaches you reference were very complimentary, but coaches are not paid to lose, especially when that loss costs them the league championship and NCAA slot. When they get to voice their true feelings, don't expect guys like Henderson and Amaker - or any coach other than Donahue - to gleefully volunteer to give up home court advantage ... forever.



But that's excactly what Amaker did. He was authentic and passionate about his comments that the tournament should be at the Palestra.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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03-16-17 09:50 AM - Post#227202    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Speaking of that one NCAA slot, here is clear evidence that mid-majors are screwed to the benefit of underperforming teams from power conferences.

Face it, the Ivy is a one bid league, and that's not going to change. Just wait until the first time the regular season champion loses in the tournament and winds up going to the NIT.

Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 03-16-17 09:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon
03-16-17 12:09 PM - Post#227215    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

  • weinhauers_ghost Said:

Just wait until the first time the regular season champion loses in the tournament and winds up going to the NIT.



Like this?

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/recap s/031505aa...

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon
03-16-17 12:36 PM - Post#227221    
    In response to Go Green

Bid deal. Who cares about the NIT any more?

 
Go Green 
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon
03-16-17 12:42 PM - Post#227224    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Bid deal. Who cares about the NIT any more?



These guys look happy...

http://www.gwsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recap s/033...

 
Old Bear 
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03-16-17 03:23 PM - Post#227339    
    In response to Go Green

Has an Ivy Team ever turned down the NIT?

 
palestra38 
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03-16-17 03:41 PM - Post#227344    
    In response to Old Bear

No. I believe only Georgetown and Louisville have declined NIT bids (although interestingly, Indiana turned down a home game this year and then fired their coach).

 
Go Green 
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03-16-17 06:54 PM - Post#227400    
    In response to palestra38


Louisville turned it down the year after winning the title.

Georgetown ostensibly wanted to focus on academics, but in reality wanted to create the illusion that they were too good for the NIT. It didn't work. I think Alabama did the same thing one year and the coach was also fired not long afterwards.

 
SRP 
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03-16-17 07:22 PM - Post#227402    
    In response to Go Green

Chris Mooney left Air Force largely because the administration blocked him from postseason play against his wishes.

 
SecS3 
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03-16-17 09:11 PM - Post#227415    
    In response to Old Bear

Princeton turned down the NIT in '68.

 
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