penn nation
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03-15-17 02:21 PM - Post#227123
In response to Cvonvorys
...the first place team receiving a bye played at Mohegun Sun. I can get behind this.
I think all schools would be in favor of the first place team getting a bye to be played at Mohegan Sun.
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caughtinasnare
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03-15-17 02:56 PM - Post#227131
In response to penn nation
How about 3 and 4 play, then winner plays 2, then winner of that plays 1?
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palestra38
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03-15-17 02:58 PM - Post#227134
In response to caughtinasnare
That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.
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caughtinasnare
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03-15-17 03:01 PM - Post#227136
In response to caughtinasnare
Actually, how about this: Play the 3/4 game at the 3's home court. Then play the semi-final and final at The Palestra. If Penn is the 4 seed like the men were this year, they go on the road for the first game. If they win, you could at least argue they "earned" something by advancing, with the tradeoff and advantage for the 2 seed being that they would then be more rested. Maybe do Wednesday, Friday, Sunday for the tournament?
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Silver Maple
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03-15-17 03:08 PM - Post#227139
In response to caughtinasnare
Anybody have a sense of the cost differential between a neutral site (like Mohegan Son) and The Palestra? I'm sure the league is thinking about that.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-15-17 05:37 PM - Post#227155
In response to Silver Maple
The League has maintained that this is not about money. We'll see.
By the way, letting Penn as a 3 or 4 seed host a higher seed at the Palestra is always going to be a problem.
How about Friday night (either at the home campus or at Mohegan Sun) and then Sunday noon at Mohegan Sun? Play was sloppy Sunday, possibly due to the quick turnaround.
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Big R&B Truth
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Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-15-17 09:45 PM - Post#227177
In response to palestra38
That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.
The outdoor courts next to Gimbel Gym would have been a good location for the 7-8 game. To bad they don't exist anymore.
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final479
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-15-17 09:52 PM - Post#227178
In response to Big R&B Truth
That's it! The bowling tournament set-up. 8 vs. 7, winner plays 6, winner plays 5 and so on.
The outdoor courts next to Gimbel Gym would have been a good location for the 7-8 game. To bad they don't exist anymore.
... the sad part is that some of the guys from outside @ Gimbel could beat this Penn team
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caughtinasnare
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Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-15-17 11:46 PM - Post#227187
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
It appears to only be a problem to the fans, if the coaches of the #1 seed and #2 seed in the first tournament both said that it should only be played in the Palestra...
That said, as a NYer, I'd love it to be closer to home for me, however having attended the Penn vs Harvard game to end the regular season, I say that strictly for selfish reasons. The Palestra really is a magical place and the only place that this should happen if we want it to mean anything beyond just a few basketball games.
Edited by caughtinasnare on 03-15-17 11:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-16-17 12:08 AM - Post#227189
In response to caughtinasnare
I agree that the Palestra has the most character, but:
1. It is inconvenient for some as the southernmost locale; and
2. Giving any team a perpetual home court advantage isn't acceptable in any way.
I'm sure the coaches you reference were very complimentary, but coaches are not paid to lose, especially when that loss costs them the league championship and NCAA slot. When they get to voice their true feelings, don't expect guys like Henderson and Amaker - or any coach other than Donahue - to gleefully volunteer to give up home court advantage ... forever.
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PennFan10
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03-16-17 12:34 AM - Post#227190
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I agree that the Palestra has the most character, but:
1. It is inconvenient for some as the southernmost locale; and
2. Giving any team a perpetual home court advantage isn't acceptable in any way.
I'm sure the coaches you reference were very complimentary, but coaches are not paid to lose, especially when that loss costs them the league championship and NCAA slot. When they get to voice their true feelings, don't expect guys like Henderson and Amaker - or any coach other than Donahue - to gleefully volunteer to give up home court advantage ... forever.
But that's excactly what Amaker did. He was authentic and passionate about his comments that the tournament should be at the Palestra.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-16-17 09:50 AM - Post#227202
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Speaking of that one NCAA slot, here is clear evidence that mid-majors are screwed to the benefit of underperforming teams from power conferences.
Face it, the Ivy is a one bid league, and that's not going to change. Just wait until the first time the regular season champion loses in the tournament and winds up going to the NIT.
Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 03-16-17 09:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Go Green
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-16-17 12:09 PM - Post#227215
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Just wait until the first time the regular season champion loses in the tournament and winds up going to the NIT.
Like this?
http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/recap s/031505aa...
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Tiger69
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-16-17 12:36 PM - Post#227221
In response to Go Green
Bid deal. Who cares about the NIT any more?
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Go Green
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Re: Thoughts from a curmudgeon 03-16-17 12:42 PM - Post#227224
In response to Tiger69
Bid deal. Who cares about the NIT any more?
These guys look happy...
http://www.gwsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recap s/033...
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Old Bear
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03-16-17 03:23 PM - Post#227339
In response to Go Green
Has an Ivy Team ever turned down the NIT?
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palestra38
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03-16-17 03:41 PM - Post#227344
In response to Old Bear
No. I believe only Georgetown and Louisville have declined NIT bids (although interestingly, Indiana turned down a home game this year and then fired their coach).
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Go Green
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03-16-17 06:54 PM - Post#227400
In response to palestra38
Louisville turned it down the year after winning the title.
Georgetown ostensibly wanted to focus on academics, but in reality wanted to create the illusion that they were too good for the NIT. It didn't work. I think Alabama did the same thing one year and the coach was also fired not long afterwards.
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SRP
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03-16-17 07:22 PM - Post#227402
In response to Go Green
Chris Mooney left Air Force largely because the administration blocked him from postseason play against his wishes.
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SecS3
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03-16-17 09:11 PM - Post#227415
In response to Old Bear
Princeton turned down the NIT in '68.
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