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Username Post: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference        (Topic#20144)
Administrator 
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03-14-17 02:10 PM - Post#226988    

Given all the discussion, how about a poll?

What should be the format of the Ivy League Tournament?
top three with bye for champion (2 v. 3 Saturday; 1 v. 2/3 winner Sunday)
top four (1 v. 4 & 2 v. 3 Saturday; championship Sunday)
top four (1 v. 4 Friday; 2 v. 3 Saturday; championship Sunday)
all eight (quarters Friday; semis Saturday; championship Sunday)
tourney field is number of Ivy losses for champion +1
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What kind of site should be used for the Ivy League Tournament?
home of the regular season champion
random rotation of Ivy League facilities
The Palestra
centrally located non-Ivy neutral court
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Should the Ivy League hold a postseason tournament?
Yes
No
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Tiger69 
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 02:27 PM - Post#226992    
    In response to Administrator

Better option: Friday night semis on home courts of higher seed. Sunday final on neutral court (double header with women's final.

 
Old Bear 
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 02:29 PM - Post#226993    
    In response to Tiger69

Agreed T69, could even play semi's on Thurs.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
03-14-17 02:47 PM - Post#226997    
    In response to Old Bear

My suggestion was single site, Friday night doubleheader and Sunday final

 
Old Bear 
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03-14-17 03:15 PM - Post#227001    
    In response to palestra38

I would prefer giving the higher seed the home court, and perhaps even for the finals. You would get good, if not sellout, attendance, even for the Women.

 
rbg 
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03-14-17 03:15 PM - Post#227002    
    In response to palestra38

My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men

Hosted at the Palestra

 
palestra38 
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03-14-17 03:18 PM - Post#227003    
    In response to Old Bear

I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.

 
Tiger69 
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03-14-17 04:01 PM - Post#227008    
    In response to palestra38

Like herding cats....

 
penn nation 
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03-14-17 04:08 PM - Post#227009    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:
My suggestion is:
Friday night - #1 vs 4 women; #1 vs #4 men
Saturday afternoon - #2 vs #3 women; #2 vs 3 men
Sunday morning - Final women
Sunday afternoon - Final men

Hosted at the Palestra



Make it mud wrestling

#1 men vs #4 women--Upper Quad
#1 women vs #4 men--Lower Quad

Alternate version--

Same teams as above, playing basketball in the Palestra. Shirts vs skins. #1 seed in each case decides which is which.

The other teams actually have to play basketball against each other in the Palestra, M vs M and F vs F.


 
digamma 
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03-14-17 04:09 PM - Post#227010    
    In response to penn nation

I had a lot of fun Saturday and Sunday. Sometimes that's enough. After all, this is about me, right? So, I'm fine keeping as it was this year.

 
westphillywarrior 
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03-14-17 04:20 PM - Post#227014    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.



Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.

I'm with Old Bear and Tiger69. Let's make the 14 game tournament more meaningful by rewarding the higher seeds with a home game. I don't care whether it's 8 teams, 6 teams (with top two seeds getting a bye) or 4 teams, but let's go home court for the higher seed, until the championship game on an appropriate neutral court.

I'm not voting for any of the listed options.


 
SRP 
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03-14-17 05:21 PM - Post#227024    
    In response to westphillywarrior

N+1 format: Let the number of teams in the tourney equal the number of losses of the regular-season champion plus one.

Champion byes: The regular-season champion gets a first-round bye whenever there is an odd number of teams eligible.

Champion venue: The tournament is held on the home court of the regular-season champion.

This setup generates the most interest during the regular season in both the leader's games and the potential tourney entrants' games back in the pack (unlike this year you couldn't know for sure which games "didn't matter" at the end because the leader might drop another one). It also gives that nice "everybody rooting against the leader" dynamic where those who pull upsets become league-wide heroes for a day. It rewards and protects the regular-season champion for its grueling round-robin success, but it scales the level of protection to the degree of their success.

 
westphillywarrior 
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03-14-17 05:56 PM - Post#227026    
    In response to SRP

I'm fine with your N + 1 suggestion. Sounds like fun.

The problem with arguing for this option is that it seems like the tournament committee is very simple minded. Can not imagine them ever going for this. So it's like wasting your vote on the Green Party.

The other problems are the league sounded like they really wanted an arena large enough for a lot of fans and they also wanted the men's and women's (at least championship games) together.

But, all that aside, I like your idea way better than what we had this year.

 
SRP 
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03-14-17 08:59 PM - Post#227035    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Thanks, westphillywarrior. Since my vote doesn't count here anyway, I'd rather be an intelligent idealist than a compromiser with foolishness.

 
Silver Maple 
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03-14-17 10:23 PM - Post#227041    
    In response to westphillywarrior

  • westphillywarrior Said:
  • palestra38 Said:
I disagree. The entire purpose given for this is to get all the schools, alumni and students, together for an event. We frankly don't need a tournament, but if we're going to have one, this is the only explanation that holds any water.



Well, that's the first time I've heard that one. I've heard that the tournament was to promote the league, I've heard it was to keep the seasons alive for more teams, I've heard it was to give us the best chance to get a second team in the big dance.
But if the entire purpose is to get everyone together for an event, let's have a picnic or something, we definitely don't need a basketball tournament.




Perhaps the the ultimate purpose of the event is to help us all understand the true meaning of Christmas.

 
palestra38 
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03-15-17 07:29 AM - Post#227050    
    In response to Silver Maple

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/c ollege/...

For those who missed this article, it makes it fairly clear that we are not going to any system that is home court, because they want to keep the men's and women's tournament together. The only question appears to be where to hold it next year.

 
westphillywarrior 
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03-15-17 11:58 AM - Post#227106    
    In response to palestra38

I don't see anything in that article that would preclude having early round games on higher seeds home courts and then bringing the men and women together for their championship games on a neutral court.

I don't get it. I don't understand how any fan can't see that it's just flat out wrong to have the whole season come down to games where any team is given an unearned home court advantage. If they try to move the tournament to Jadwin or Payne Whitney next year I'd hope Penn would just say NO.

 
palestra38 
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03-15-17 12:16 PM - Post#227109    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Don't look at me. I have consistently been opposed to a tournament. But if there's going to be one, I see no point in doing home courts---there's absolutely nothing to be said for that setup. This is about MARKETING. Read the articles about it in Bloomberg and elsewhere. You're not marketing the Ivy League by playing a solo game at Yale. So while I oppose a tournament on pure fairness terms, once you are ignoring fairness and having a tournament, there has to be an ulterior motive, and there is. Playing at home sites destroys that motive.

 
Tiger69 
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03-15-17 12:17 PM - Post#227110    
    In response to westphillywarrior

I think that we are pretty much agreed.

I still think, however, that the tournament should be for an NIT bid, or thepossibility of a 2nd NCAA bid if the tourney winner is so good, say hypP in two years, that it can't be ignored and has upset the regular season Champion.

 
sparman 
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03-15-17 01:36 PM - Post#227127    
    In response to Silver Maple

Hard to argue with anything that promotes Vince Guaraldi.

 
Go Green 
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03-15-17 03:28 PM - Post#227150    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:

I still think, however, that the tournament should be for an NIT bid.



What's in it for the NIT?

 
Tiger69 
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03-15-17 06:22 PM - Post#227166    
    In response to Go Green

The Champion of the asinine tournament that now determines the NCAA bid . Since the NIT is owned by the NCAA, it should be delighted.

 
10Q 
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05-29-17 07:43 AM - Post#229719    
    In response to sparman

All I want to know is, Is it good for the Quakers?

 
Tiger69 
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Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
05-29-17 09:22 AM - Post#229721    
    In response to 10Q

All I want to know is, Is it good for ...me?

The mentality of our !diot-in-Chief.



Edited by Tiger69 on 05-29-17 09:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Poll: Ivy League Tournament preference
05-29-17 09:28 AM - Post#229722    
    In response to Tiger69

Fun fact: When I first entered the above post, the word "!diot" was auto changed to "genius". I had to change the "I" to "!" to get my intended result.

I have lived too long.

Edited by Tiger69 on 05-29-17 09:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
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05-29-17 09:39 AM - Post#229723    
    In response to Tiger69

Well, that's just bull$hit.

 
Bruno 
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07-05-17 07:19 PM - Post#230543    
    In response to Silver Maple

Yes to tournament. Top six. First four Thursday. Winners take on the top two seeds Friday. Championship on Sunday.

Alternatively, you go top 5. First four Thursday. Next two Friday. Winner gets the champ Sunday.

But I think I like top six better.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
palestra38 
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07-06-17 10:57 AM - Post#230554    
    In response to Bruno

This is a fairer plan than the current one. I would go for top 5, because it then gives a double bye---a true reward for winning the regular season, to the champion.

But seriously, there should be no tournament. We will not get a second bid and the revenue/publicity is contrary to the spirit of the Ivy Agreement, which is may the best team win.

 
rbg 
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07-06-17 12:33 PM - Post#230558    
    In response to palestra38

I am also in favor of adding teams for the Tournament's future.

Between the two divisions, there were three schools missing. If jsut one more team was added to each group, Columbia (men) and Cornell (women) would have been included. This would have given more athletes the chance to participate, and more fans would have attended some of the event.

Including two more teams to the men's and women's divisions would result in two days of quadruple-headers. With ESPN dictating the day and times of the weekend semifinals and finals, the league would most likely be looking at the practice day on Thursday and the first four games on Friday.

Two full days of Quadruple-headers, followed by a double-header, will take a lot of effort from the league and venue staffs. While they all did a very good job this past year, it might be reasonable to start with adding one team to each division.

As a result, there could be a double-header on Friday night, followed by Saturday's quadruple-header and Sunday's double-header.

 
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