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palestra38 
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Re: Tip off
03-16-17 03:02 PM - Post#227324    
    In response to gokinsmen

Guess it depends on your definition of wide open. The defender was rushing out at him but even though he took the pass, a step and shot, the ball was off well before anyone could get there. I call that wide open, I'll accept it as a "very good look."

http://thespun.com/independents/notre-da me/watch-n...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Reg: 01-21-14
Tip off
03-16-17 03:09 PM - Post#227328    
    In response to palestra38

Well played Tigers.

Cannady wide open 3 essentially gave Princeton 42% chance to win the game (Cannady's 3 point %). Gotta be better odds than the risk of not scoring on a drive + risk of losing in OT.

Best shooter with chance to win it.
Of course, if Princeton shot to norm it would've been great, but relying on 3's is high variability. Live or die by them.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-16-17 03:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
gokinsmen 
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Re: Tip off
03-16-17 03:14 PM - Post#227333    
    In response to umbrellaman

  • umbrellaman Said:
They doubled off the high screen to prevent Bell from going to the hoop, and Cannady shoots over 40% from 3 point range.



They shouldn't have run a pick-and-roll at all. Bell was 3-3 from 2 this game. Just rush it up the court and attack the rim. Don't give ND a chance to get set. Even a wild, ugly miss in a crowd can lead to a putback or shooting foul. And if you get off the shot quickly, you can also foul with 2-3s left.

I think the "problem" was that Bell was too unselfish and didn't want to take this huge shot for himself.

 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
03-16-17 03:15 PM - Post#227334    
    In response to umbrellaman

No second guessing here. Great season. NCAA outcome not what we hoped. But, I'm OK with the way the team played and the decisions made. Shooting just not up to par. I keep thinking of the layup we missed off the opening tipoff.

Ion to next year....

 
bradley 
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Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Tip off
03-16-17 03:16 PM - Post#227335    
    In response to umbrellaman

You are absolutely correct that two ND defenders shutdown Bell's drive to the basket although Amir would have better starting at the top of the key vs. to the side. I have no issue at all with Cannady taking the 3 pt shot as he was sufficiently open. You take a 2pt or 3pt shot as long as the player has an open look.

Heartbreaking but tremendous effort by warriors including Weisz, Bell and others. Two strategic errors were allowing ND 32 to swoop down from the outside baseline in the 1st half with wide open dunks and not going with Princeton Cs' against Colson earlier but Brey made his fair share of coaching errors. Difference in the game was Tigers missing so many open 3pt shots in the 1st half --- ND played much better defense in 2nd half.

Congratulations to Mitch, seniors and all team members for showing the skill level of the IL as well as the physical and mental toughness. Even my IL "hater" friends were impressed.

 
joe nassau 
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Reg: 02-13-05
03-16-17 03:16 PM - Post#227336    
    In response to Chip Bayers

They're no such thing as moral victories? you win or you lose? And PU lost. Best shooter took the shot and missed. End of...

 
gokinsmen 
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03-16-17 03:21 PM - Post#227337    
    In response to Tiger69

After Yale and Harvard won their 1st rd games, anything but a NCAA win makes for a disappointing season. If Mitch leaves, then so be it. We need someone who can get us over the hump. No more near-misses.

Luckily, Stephens, Cannady and Bell will all be back (and likely improved) and there are some promising freshman coming in.

 
Old Bear 
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03-16-17 03:29 PM - Post#227341    
    In response to gokinsmen

The Tigers did a fine job of representing the Ivies.

 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
03-16-17 04:04 PM - Post#227353    
    In response to gokinsmen

Near misses I agree are very disappointing. But, that is always how the season eventually ends for the entire NCAA field except one. Given the Ivies' different focus on sports from a few power conferences, we shall never see the day that an Ivy goes all the way to the finals IMHO. I have no problem with that. For the Ivies the prize is getting the chance to play in the tournament and possibly going a couple of rounds (and share in some of the loot that this tournament generates). We can only hold a coach to the standard to which the school supports him/her. In bball, thank god, the Ivies are unwilling to do what is apparently necessary theses days to be the National Champ.

 
palestra38 
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Tip off
03-16-17 04:06 PM - Post#227354    
    In response to Tiger69

I do not believe anyone could say with a straight face that Princeton had a disappointing season. Only this game, which was very winnable, was disappointing.

And having the basketball gods on your side---second time in a week a team with a lead blows a crucial foul shot

Edited by palestra38 on 03-16-17 04:07 PM. Reason for edit: wasn't a one and one

 
JadwinGeorge 
Sophomore
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Age: 69
Reg: 12-04-15
03-16-17 04:06 PM - Post#227355    
    In response to gokinsmen

One of the silliest posts I have ever seen.

 
bradley 
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Age: 68
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-17 04:13 PM - Post#227356    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

It is truly so absurd that a response is simply not warranted.

It is similar to someone advocating that sending a 16 seed against a 1 seed does not really make that big a difference vs. a 12 seed vs. a 5 seed.



 
sparman 
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sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-17 04:18 PM - Post#227357    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

Near misses disappoint. But it wasn't the coach who was airmailing 3pt shots, missing layups, travelling with no one around him, or losing the ball trying to dribble in traffic. IMO he put the team in a position to win and they could not execute sufficiently. That last shot for DC was well drawn up and he was open enough.

 
penn nation 
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Reg: 12-02-04
Re: Tip off
03-16-17 04:53 PM - Post#227362    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:


And having the basketball gods on your side---second time in a week a team with a lead blows a crucial foul shot



You said it, but that's what I was thinking, too.

 
Tiger69 
PhD Student
Posts: 1987

Reg: 11-23-04
03-16-17 04:59 PM - Post#227365    
    In response to sparman

Whoever represents the IL next year will, based on the last several years and the growing underclass talent, be taken very seriously.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
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sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
Tip off
03-16-17 05:03 PM - Post#227367    
    In response to penn nation

Don't look now, but ND's next opponent might just be Bucknell.

edit: Well - maybe not.

Edited by sparman on 03-16-17 05:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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03-16-17 05:45 PM - Post#227379    
    In response to sparman

I feel bad for the team, who will be reliving this game for a long time. It was right there and they didn't get it done. Not Henderson's fault at all, unless you think there was some magic formula to get your players to hit open shots. If you have that formula, there are a lot of coaches who will pay you big bucks for it.

Henderson pushed the right buttons this season and has done an excellent job of recruiting and developing talent. I'm sure this game experience will help him the next time he gets to the NCAAs, though. It has to be a different experience coaching in this game on one's first trip.

 
bradley 
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Age: 68
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-17 06:03 PM - Post#227390    
    In response to SRP

I was sitting to a ND fan who was very upset, rightfully, that Coach Brey relied on one on one play in 2nd half vs sharing the ball. He thought Henderson out coached Brey. Might be right. Stephens and Cannady had tough shooting games -- sophomores??

 
SRP 
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03-16-17 06:07 PM - Post#227391    
    In response to bradley

Cannady's been streaky this year (maybe not by analytics, but he seemed to have on- versus off- games). Stephens seemed a little anxious in the first half but eventually eased into the game. He did take more mid-range jumpers than you'd want, but drew some fouls that way too.

 
Chip Bayers 
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-16-17 06:17 PM - Post#227395    
    In response to SRP

MTSU upholding 12-seed pride, as many predicted.


 
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