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Username Post: Verbal Commits        (Topic#20176)
coins 
Sophomore
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Reg: 01-16-07
03-22-17 01:48 PM - Post#227907    

The site still lists Brandon Horvath and Najja Hunter. Does anyone know what is actually happening or (what happened) to either one?
Thanks

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
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Reg: 02-15-15
Re: Verbal Commits
03-22-17 01:52 PM - Post#227909    
    In response to coins

Both their twitter feeds show they are available/uncommitted as of March 20th.

 
nychoops 
Freshman
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Reg: 11-23-04
Re: Verbal Commits
03-22-17 02:13 PM - Post#227913    
    In response to PennFan10

Spoke at length with Hunters coach a few weeks ago. Penn was literally in the gym at the time but looking at other kids abs had stopped recruiting him. He still had Cornell, Princeton interest but as of then he was actually leaning towards Amherst

 
pennhoops 
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-23-17 12:34 PM - Post#227981    
    In response to nychoops

The transfer list is already beginning to fill up with guys we were involved with to one degree or another.

 
Penndemonium 
Masters Student
Posts: 527

Reg: 11-29-04
03-23-17 12:36 PM - Post#227983    
    In response to pennhoops

Pennhoops, what do you mean by that? Students from prior recruiting years are popping up on transfer lists?

 
pennhoops 
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03-23-17 12:57 PM - Post#227985    
    In response to Penndemonium

Yes

 
Silver Maple 
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Reg: 11-23-04
03-23-17 01:30 PM - Post#227990    
    In response to pennhoops

Well, that's interesting. Where would the uninitiated find these lists?

This past season notwithstanding, we've had pretty good luck with transfers in the past.

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
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Reg: 02-15-15
03-23-17 03:02 PM - Post#228010    
    In response to Silver Maple

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story/...

 
Carl0731 
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Reg: 02-07-06
03-23-17 03:11 PM - Post#228015    
    In response to PennFan10

Didn't know we had Henry Caruso

 
pennhoops 
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-23-17 03:19 PM - Post#228017    
    In response to Carl0731

The Verbal Commits list doesn't have those sorts of goof ups.

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
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Reg: 02-15-15
03-23-17 03:38 PM - Post#228021    
    In response to pennhoops

Jeff Goodman's list, while missing on Caruso, is very informed and accurate, far better info on transfers than Verbal Commits.

 
Mike Porter 
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Mike Porter
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-23-17 07:38 PM - Post#228046    
    In response to PennFan10

Any particular past Penn targets that stand out?

 
NathanVC 
Freshman
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Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
03-25-17 12:04 PM - Post#228109    
    In response to PennFan10

Hello, this is Nathan LeClair, CEO of Verbal Commits. I maintain the transfer list, among other things.

What can we do to improve the list? Would love to hear your feedback.

 
Tiger69 
PhD Student
Posts: 1967

Reg: 11-23-04
03-25-17 12:24 PM - Post#228111    
    In response to NathanVC

Well, for one, let us know if Henry Caruso really has left Princeton to become a Penn quacker

 
NathanVC 
Freshman
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Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
03-25-17 12:43 PM - Post#228113    
    In response to Tiger69

Lol I haven't heard anything regarding that at this time.

 
pennhoops 
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-27-17 12:52 PM - Post#228201    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
Jeff Goodman's list, while missing on Caruso, is very informed and accurate, far better info on transfers than Verbal Commits.



I'm not sure what you're basing that on but right now the lists aren't even close in terms of comprehensiveness. The VC list is about four times as long as ESPN's.

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
Posts: 960

Reg: 02-15-15
03-27-17 04:11 PM - Post#228225    
    In response to pennhoops

Jeff Goodman has not posted the post season transfers for 2016-17 yet. He only lists the mid season transfers (those who announced during the season they would transfer)

VC actually references ESPN as a source for about 30% of their transfer list. ESPN usually puts out a full list after the FF.

Here is his list from last year:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story/...

 
pennhoops 
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Reg: 11-21-04
03-27-17 04:43 PM - Post#228231    
    In response to PennFan10

Thirty percent seems pretty generous but their list was 811 names last year and I'm not going to do the math. You can work with ESPN, I'll take VC, and the beauty of capitalism will make us all winners.

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
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Reg: 02-15-15
03-27-17 05:32 PM - Post#228237    
    In response to pennhoops

Well if you look at last years lists, of the sources VC cites (they only list a source for 370 of the 811) for the transfer 114 out of 370 were from ESPN, which is 31%.

ESPN lists 703 transfers for last year, VC lists 811. The lists, for whatever reason, are only the same on about 80% of the names. Having followed the ESPN list the last couple years, I have found it to be very reliable and accurate. Can't speak for the VC list.

 
NathanVC 
Freshman
Posts: 9

Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
03-28-17 11:34 AM - Post#228252    
    In response to PennFan10

It's true we cite ESPN's list, but as mentioned above ESPN has not update its list since January 25th...I updated our five minutes ago and update it dozens of times every day. We typically have more names because ours is updated more frequently.

The transfers that are not sourced were either A) announced by the kid or B) we broke the news.

Besides daily updates, our list also has the ability to be sorted by height, weight, position, class and whether they are eligible immediately or not. ESPN's does not have this ability.

Going through last year's ESPN list, I can point out to you a number of incorrect/incomplete entries. There are guys with no new school beside their names on their list that are playing at another school right now.

I also know for a fact that their "full list" after the FF uses our list as reference except they don't cite anyone, which I can understand.

 
section110 
Masters Student
Posts: 695

Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
03-28-17 12:46 PM - Post#228253    
    In response to NathanVC

You tell him Nathan. And keep up the good work.

 
Penndemonium 
Masters Student
Posts: 527

Reg: 11-29-04
03-28-17 02:27 PM - Post#228268    
    In response to NathanVC

Are Chase Jeter or Nick King hoping to finish their college careers in the Ivy League?


 
NathanVC 
Freshman
Posts: 9

Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
03-28-17 02:58 PM - Post#228273    
    In response to Penndemonium

Lol you never know! I believe Chase Jeter is looking to play closer to home in California.

 
PennFan10 
Masters Student
Posts: 960

Reg: 02-15-15
03-28-17 03:50 PM - Post#228275    
    In response to NathanVC

Nathan,

That's good intel. Thanks for sharing it. I will reference VC list as well going forward.



 
NathanVC 
Freshman
Posts: 9

Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
03-30-17 01:47 PM - Post#228340    
    In response to PennFan10

No problem! Thanks for hearing me out.

 
The Quad 
Sophomore
Posts: 116

Reg: 12-16-04
Re: Verbal Commits---Excellent Site!
03-30-17 03:14 PM - Post#228342    
    In response to NathanVC

Nathan---love your site and reference it all the time. Keep up the superb work!

 
Silver Maple 
Postdoc
Posts: 2812

Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
03-30-17 03:17 PM - Post#228343    
    In response to The Quad

Agreed-- VC is an essential resource for the college basketball fan.

And anything you guys can do to nudge 4* recruits toward Penn will be greatly appreciated.

 
NathanVC 
Freshman
Posts: 9

Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
Re: Verbal Commits---Excellent Site!
04-01-17 07:08 PM - Post#228432    
    In response to The Quad

Thank you! Appreciate your support.

 
NathanVC 
Freshman
Posts: 9

Age: 22
Reg: 03-17-16
04-01-17 07:10 PM - Post#228433    
    In response to Silver Maple

Thanks! Glad you think so.

Haha no promises...

 
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