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PennFan10 
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03-24-17 01:28 PM - Post#228072    
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But, even with his star-studded freshmen, TA hasn't demonstrated that he has anything on the Ps or yale.



How many other Ivy schools have won five titles in a row besides Harvard under TA?



One I think. Penn won 6 in a row from 1969-1975 and then won 7 out of 9 (though only 3 in a row in that stretch) from 1998-2006.


Edited by PennFan10 on 03-24-17 01:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Go Green 
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Re: Georgetown
03-24-17 01:37 PM - Post#228074    
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One I think. Penn won 6 in a row from 1969-1975




Ah.... the Chuck Daly years.

Pretty good company for TA to be in.



 
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03-24-17 01:41 PM - Post#228075    
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I tend to agree with Tiger69. He has clearly done a great job at Harvard by being the first mover in taking advantage of a rising tide of IL (and especially) financial aid. He showed creativity in dealing with the IL obstacles to recruiting. I don't say that to diminish him - he did these things spectacularly for a great result.

I'm a bit skeptical about whether he is the right guy to turn around Georgetown, though. Georgetown has a unique set of circumstances. It has advantages of history, the recruiting pull of JT Sr., a pretty good budget, a great home market, and a record of successful pros. It has disadvantages of JT Sr. overshadowing the program, academic requirements, a conference that has been diminished, sub-optimal facilities, and declining brand for young players and HS coaches.

I think Georgetown needs to get lucky on their coaching hire, and have a coach who fires on every cylinder of high major recruiting, game tactics, and coaching. I think their best shot is to find a diamond in the assistant coaching world rather than go with Amaker or Ewing.

I'm a Georgetown fan, BTW.



 
Go Green 
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03-24-17 01:46 PM - Post#228076    
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sub-optimal facilities,




Not anymore. The new Thompson Center on campus is an absolute palace.

I think that was a big reason why people expected JTIII to get more time--give him a chance to recruit with the new digs. But now it looks like someone else will show it off to recruits...

 
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Re: Georgetown
03-24-17 01:51 PM - Post#228077    
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Because of Ivy rules of ties, Penn won 5 straight from '78-'82. It tied Princeton in both '80 and '81, won the playoff in '80 and lost in '81.

 
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03-24-17 01:52 PM - Post#228078    
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There is little reason IMHO to believe that his stock will rise any farther going forward if he remains at h.



While I'm not guaranteeing that this current Harvard freshman class will see the second weekend by the time they graduate, I'd argue that there's plenty of reason to believe they could (the second-most productive frosh class as far back as I have records is Cornell's dynasty team). And if Amaker made the second weekend, his stock would likely rise higher.

 
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03-24-17 02:15 PM - Post#228080    
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I hear Larry Brown is available if they want quick results followed by probation.

 
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03-24-17 02:27 PM - Post#228081    
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I'm with Mr James on TA. He brought in an unprecedented recruiting class in the IL with high ceilings. Let's wait and see what he does with that before judging him. TA's legacy is far from set at this point.

 
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03-24-17 02:30 PM - Post#228082    
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There is little reason IMHO to believe that his stock will rise any farther going forward if he remains at h.



While I'm not guaranteeing that this current Harvard freshman class will see the second weekend by the time they graduate, I'd argue that there's plenty of reason to believe they could (the second-most productive frosh class as far back as I have records is Cornell's dynasty team). And if Amaker made the second weekend, his stock would likely rise higher.



I agree, they could make the second weekend. They also might never make the first weekend. I think we're agreed that it's going to be difficult to get a second Ivy into the tournament for the next couple of years. And with tough Yale, Princeton and Penn teams - and if the Ivy tournament stays in the Palestra or moves to Jadwin or Payne Whitney......
Harvard might end up as the best team in the league but with less than a 50% chance of seeing the first weekend.


 
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03-24-17 02:38 PM - Post#228084    
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I'm with Mr James on TA. He brought in an unprecedented recruiting class in the IL with high ceilings. Let's wait and see what he does with that before judging him. TA's legacy is far from set at this point.



That's not what mrjames said. It's very easy to judge Amaker at this point. He has done an amazing job at Harvard.

And his stock could rise even further.


 
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03-24-17 03:34 PM - Post#228086    
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  • westphillywarrior Said:


That's not what mrjames said. It's very easy to judge Amaker at this point. He has done an amazing job at Harvard.

And his stock could rise even further.




I am not at all clear on what you mean here. What did I say that MRj did not say?


Edited by PennFan10 on 03-24-17 03:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-24-17 04:54 PM - Post#228095    
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My point is that, although TA has done a remarkable job at h, and I agree that he has, there was a time that at least a few on this board thought that h might run away from the rest of the league. In fact, as GG points out, they did get 5 consecutive titles, although two were ties (P in 2011, and Y in 2015) and one they won as a result of a late season Princeton collapse. Impressive run, but hardly dominance, AND they have since lost the past two years. TA's coaching and the h mystique to recruits may have peaked out. Meanwhile several other teams, with excellent coaching and rising levels of talent, have closed the gap.

So again, this might be the best time financially for TA to bolt or resign himself to a good, but not as lucrative, long time gig in Cambridge.

 
PennFan10 
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03-24-17 05:27 PM - Post#228098    
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That's what I thought you meant. And MrJ said his stock could go higher and the bid for him increase if this unprecedented group of Frosh get him to the second weekend.

I agreed with MrJ by saying let's see how these frosh do as we have never seen this level of talent in the IL.

 
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03-24-17 05:52 PM - Post#228102    
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What really happened was a perfect storm of assistants leaving and some snags with top target recruits that really hit Harvard's recruiting hard in the 2013 and 2014 classes. The recent stability in key recruiting positions has gotten recruiting back on track, but missing on two consecutive classes has to work itself out of the system. Assuming the stability stays, 2018 should be another deep, talented class.

The other thing that can't be understated is how good Princeton and Yale have been recently. It's hard to look dominant over another Top 50 team, no matter how good you are. My presumption is those that believed Harvard would run away from the rest of the league weren't counting on how good the rest of the league would become.

 
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03-25-17 07:33 AM - Post#228104    
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WaPo this morning says prime candidates are Amaker, Brey, and Smart for Georgetown. Ewing discussed as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017...

 
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03-25-17 07:53 AM - Post#228105    
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Harvard's freshmen class is remarkable from a ratings perspective. They are certainly a talented group that will improve over time as they get stronger and more experienced plus the likelihood is that they will be together as a group for four years, barring injuries, and they certainly got considerable playing time in their freshmen year.

With that being said, the round of sweet 16 last evening demonstrated how high the bar is to make it to the round of 16 and beyond. The athleticism and talent level at several of the games, particularly UCLA/Kentucky is crazy good. The speed and quickness of many of the players, including freshmen, is very different than what you see with IL play. Level of play by the power conferences is very strong.

It will be interesting to see how the Harvard 2016-17 class plays out. They will be in the tournament at some point and time, probably two maybe three times, unless the Palestra "bug" hits them along the way.

 
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03-25-17 11:35 AM - Post#228107    
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Casual Hoya article on Amaker:
http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/24/15051330/ge org...

 
Go Green 
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03-25-17 12:04 PM - Post#228108    
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The comments and gifs were funny!

 
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03-25-17 12:19 PM - Post#228110    
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Georgetown is living in Never Never Land. After firing a classy guy and good coach, it appears they can't decide whether to go big time (one fan actually suggested Alan Iverson to establish "street cred"!, or continue to be a pseudo Ivy. Good luck, Gtown. Their best chance is Tommy Amaker who has "street cred" as well as a college degree.

 
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03-25-17 02:23 PM - Post#228117    
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Georgetown is living in Never Never Land.



A big part of the problem has been Villanova's success. Georgetown's fans could stomach it when Syracuse or UConn was winning national championships.

But Nova is another matter...

 
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