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Bison89 
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08-17-17 11:26 AM - Post#232114    
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137, how does this year's OOC strength of schedule compare to 2005-2006? I'm wondering if this is potentially the toughest schedule that Bucknell has ever had.



While we wait for this year's complete schedule, here are the schedules from 2005-06 and 2012-13, with each team's Pomeroy ranking:


2005-06:
2 Duke
5 Villanova
30 Northern Iowa
42 Saint Joseph's
50 Syracuse
90 DePaul
160 Santa Clara
182 Niagara
203 Boston University
228 Rider
233 Cornell
258 Yale
360 Haverford

141.8 Mean
160.0 Median
25.8 Top 5
46.0 Top Half


2012-13:

25 Missouri
50 La Salle
74 Purdue
87 Princeton
88 New Mexico St.
121 Kent St.
124 Loyola MD
133 George Mason
139 Niagara
161 Penn St.
196 Columbia
238 Marist
261 Cornell
275 Dartmouth
330 St. Francis PA
350 West Alabama

165.8 Mean
136.0 Median
64.8 Top 5
87.8 Top Half

Note: There are no Pomeroy rankings, so I put in a number. West Alabama was better than Haverford.


One amazing thing is the quality of the 2005-06 top five - an average ranking of 25. Looking at the RPI, the average of the top five was about 17, with Duke and Villanova being ranked 1st and 2nd that year. The 2012-13 schedule didn't have nearly that kind of quality at the top - but it was a lot deeper with nine teams in the top 140 and ten in the top 161.



Once the 2017-2018 schedule is confirmed, it would be interesting to compare it to the 2016-2017 schedule.

Here is last year's schedule:
http://www.bucknellbison.com/SportSelect.dbml?&...

So far, it looks like this year's schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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08-17-17 01:00 PM - Post#232119    
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Once the 2017-2018 schedule is confirmed, it would be interesting to compare it to the 2016-2017 schedule.

And after you've done that, Bison137, don't forget to pick up Bison89's clothes from the cleaners.

 
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08-17-17 01:28 PM - Post#232121    
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Not sure what "soon" means, but...
https://twitter.com/bucknell_mbb/status/8 982112014...

 
Bison89 
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08-17-17 02:51 PM - Post#232128    
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Once the 2017-2018 schedule is confirmed, it would be interesting to compare it to the 2016-2017 schedule.

And after you've done that, Bison137, don't forget to pick up Bison89's clothes from the cleaners.



I have a pair of shoes downstairs in my office building that is being shined and . . . .

BTW, I think that 137 loves crunching numbers and comparing teams!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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08-17-17 03:01 PM - Post#232129    
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BTW, I think that 137 loves crunching numbers and comparing teams!



so really, you were doing him a favor by making the request, and now he owes you

 
JDBison2010 
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08-17-17 05:35 PM - Post#232138    
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http://stonybrookathletic s.com/news/2017/8/17/toge...

Game @ Stony Brook confirmed by the AD. Stony Brook plays at Ball State which likely means Bucknell will get Ball State at home

 
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08-17-17 06:36 PM - Post#232143    
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  • JDBison2010 Said:
http://stonybrookathletic s.com/news/2017/8/17/toge...

Game @ Stony Brook confirmed by the AD. Stony Brook plays at Ball State which likely means Bucknell will get Ball State at home

From watching Stony Brook games online and on TV over the last few years, I've been wanting to see a game there. It looks like they have a great gym and gameday atmosphere.
http://stonybrookathletic s.com/sports/2016/8/25/fa...

But first, we must await the announcement of the date!

 
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-17-17 07:27 PM - Post#232144    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • JDBison2010 Said:
http://stonybrookathletic s.com/news/2017/8/17/toge...

Game @ Stony Brook confirmed by the AD. Stony Brook plays at Ball State which likely means Bucknell will get Ball State at home

From watching Stony Brook games online and on TV over the last few years, I've been wanting to see a game there. It looks like they have a great gym and gameday atmosphere.
http://stonybrookathletic s.com/sports/2016/8/25/fa...

But first, we must await the announcement of the date!




The Stony Brook arena is about exactly the same size as Sojka, and was totally redone - at a cost of over $21 Million - a couple of years ago.

SB's athletics have benefited significantly from the influence of their local State Senator, who has served over 40 years - many of them as head of NY's Higher Education Committee and, earlier, the Education Committee. In addition to the money for the basketball arena, he was responsible for directing a huge amount of money to Stony Brook around 2000 to build a very nice football stadium, which now bears his name.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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08-17-17 08:21 PM - Post#232146    
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Bucknell Schedule So Far

Fri Nov 10 @Monmouth
Wed Nov 15 @UNC
Sat Nov 18 @Maryland
Tue Nov 21 Siena
Sat Dec 16 @VCU
Fri Dec 22 La Salle

Dates Unknown:
@Arkansas
@Stony Brook
@St Joe's
@Richmond


 
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08-17-17 08:33 PM - Post#232147    
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BTW, I think that 137 loves crunching numbers and comparing teams!



so really, you were doing him a favor by making the request, and now he owes you



Hmmm, some might think so.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
Bison137 
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08-17-17 10:42 PM - Post#232149    
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Am still trying to decipher the PK80 matchups. The more I look, the more I am unsure as to the Bison playing Ball State. There were supposed to be eight midmajors. Seven have been identified: UNH, Furman, Utah State, Bucknell, Stony Brook, Ball State, and Northeastern. Assuming nothing has changed, that leaves one mystery team.

There is reportedly a four-team two day matchup in Nashville: UNH, Furman, Utah State - plus either Northeastern or mystery team. Then there is the Bucknell group: Bucknell, Stony Brook, Ball State, and maybe a fourth team. Assuming Bucknell plays Stony Brook and also Ball State, that would leave either Northeastern or the mystery team with no-one to play. Also playing a three-team round robin stretches out the time required to get in the games, since three dates are required plus offdays. Much easier to have four teams exchange opponents - just requires two dates.

So, assuming no midmajor has dropped out, it seems plausible that Bucknell won't play Ball State but rather Northeastern or the mystery team. Hopefully we will find out shortly - and there have been no dropouts.

Btw, here are the PK80 matchups of the "elite" teams and the midmajors:

UNC - Bucknell
Arkansas - Bucknell
Connecticut - Stony Brook
Michigan State - Stony Brook
Oklahoma - Ball State
Oregon - Ball State
Ohio State - Northeastern
Stanford - Northeastern
Butler - Furman
Duke - Furman
Texas - UNH
Florida - UNH
DePaul - ? (schedule released but has room for one more game)
Gonzaga - ? (maybe Utah State)
Portland - ? (maybe Utah State)
Portland State - ? (maybe Utah State)





 
JDBison2010 
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08-18-17 09:03 AM - Post#232152    
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Won't have to guess much longer. Schedule comes out today at noon according to the Bucknell Athletics Twitter account

 
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08-18-17 09:20 AM - Post#232153    
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Won't have to guess much longer. Schedule comes out today at noon according to the Bucknell Athletics Twitter account



i'll still go ahead and guess that it will be Ball State despite B137s observations.

my gut on pk80 overall is that the two brackets are being managed as individual mte 'tournaments'. therefore, i conclude:
Motion Bracket:
- Utah State plays Gonzaga and Portland State
- Northeastern is fourth team to Nashville
Victory Bracket:
- only 3 D1 nonbracketed teams with late Depaul substitution
=> Ball Sate at Bucknell completes the triangle
- if Portland State and Depaul want 31st game they will get a non d1 team to be deemed a tournament participant and ise that as their fourth game (similar to what i am assuming Navy is doing with thei mte event to get the extra game).

the biggest driver in this conclusion is giving credence to the original Ball State / Bucknell game rumor as some level of credibility was earned as the source also pre announced the Ball State at Oregon matchup


 
Old Bison 
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08-18-17 09:20 AM - Post#232154    
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You guys are the Sherlock Holmes of of College BB --- don't think you have much wrong. Think the projection of Ball State holds up and Bison 137 will be slightly happier!

 
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08-18-17 09:44 AM - Post#232155    
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I do like to see a strong schedule and Bucknell playing some high profile schools. However, as a season ticket holder it doesn't make me happy to have fewer home games against fewer interesting schools and perhaps one of those games against a D-3 school.

 
Bison137 
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08-18-17 10:25 AM - Post#232157    
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  • KenZ Said:


my gut on pk80 overall is that the two brackets are being managed as individual mte 'tournaments'. therefore, i conclude:
Motion Bracket:
- Utah State plays Gonzaga and Portland State
- Northeastern is fourth team to Nashville
Victory Bracket:
- only 3 D1 nonbracketed teams with late Depaul substitution
=> Ball Sate at Bucknell completes the triangle
- if Portland State and Depaul want 31st game they will get a non d1 team to be deemed a tournament participant and ise that as their fourth game (similar to what i am assuming Navy is doing with thei mte event to get the extra game).






It occurred to me that another possibility - similar to your suggestion - is that there were never 8 non-bracketed teams at all. The tournament has 16 "elite" teams on paper, but the reality is that there are only 14 - since Portland and Portland State are weak mid-majors who got an invitation solely due to their location. It would be unappealing for any tournament mid-major to be told one of their road games, which they assumed would be against an opponent like UNC or Duke, is actually against a weak mid-major, i.e. Portland or Portland State.

So maybe Portland and Portland State have been destined all along to play only the three bracket games in Portland and not a fourth one. That would mean only 7 mid-majors (similar to the situation you suggest). Of course with Georgetown dropping out and DePaul being added, that added some confusion - but DePaul actually now has room on its schedule for one more game. So it could still add a home game vs a tournament mid-major, as long as they can make the two schedules work.




 
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08-18-17 10:27 AM - Post#232158    
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Clues pouring in from Bucknell's social media accounts:

"Our OOC opponents combined for a 284-156 (.645) overall record and 155-79 (.662) conference record last season."

 
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08-18-17 10:31 AM - Post#232159    
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Big 10, too?! Oh my!

"Conference breakdown: we will play 4 games vs. A-10; 2 vs. MAAC and America East; 1 each vs. ACC, SEC, Big 10, MAC, CAA."

 
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08-18-17 10:33 AM - Post#232160    
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If only Bison137 had sufficient time, he could probably cross-reference the winning percentages and conference IDs and...voila!

 
JDBison2010 
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08-18-17 10:35 AM - Post#232161    
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I see 2 games that we don't have info for. America East and CAA

They also came out with a tweet earlier saying we have 5 NCAA teams on the schedule. We know 4 which means that the 5th will either be Vermont or UNCW. Since UNCW already came out with their schedule this leaves us with Vermont.

If true, this schedule just got even more difficult

 
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