Bison89
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-21-17 04:51 PM - Post#232261
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
The Daily Item has a boring almost direct copy of Bucknell's press release:
And yet you choose to present it to us...
Yes, you are right. I should not have posted it, but misery loves company.
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08-22-17 12:08 PM - Post#232285
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Bucknell is the headline opponent in this Arkansas news report on the Razorbacks' schedule:
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/aug/22/ua-...
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Bison89
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2017-18 Schedule
08-22-17 01:19 PM - Post#232290
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Bucknell is mentioned several times. I guess with Bucknell having knocked Arkansas out of the Dance many years ago in the only game that the two teams have played, this is a high profile game for them.
BTW, here is a box score from the 2006 game:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/200...
I never realized that McNaughton had only 6 points. I can't remember. Was he in foul trouble for most of the game?
Also, for those younger people who follow this board, 2006 was during the Pat Flannery era. He stressed DEFENSE, DEFENSE, and more DEFENSE. It was not uncommon for Bucknell to hold teams under 50 points.
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Bison137
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-22-17 01:50 PM - Post#232292
In response to Bison89
I never realized that McNaughton had only 6 points. I can't remember. Was he in foul trouble for most of the game?
Not in foul trouble for most of the game. Although he ended up with four fouls, three of them were in the final minutes of play. I think the Arkansas defense collapsed on him a lot, making it hard to get shots.
Here is the game article and box score from the BU site: http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSI...
One funny thing is that if you look at the Arkansas basketball forum, a number of their fans delusionally think that the Bucknell win was a big upset. Arkansas would have won easily were it not for bad coaching.
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Bison89
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-22-17 02:15 PM - Post#232293
In response to Bison137
I never realized that McNaughton had only 6 points. I can't remember. Was he in foul trouble for most of the game?
Not in foul trouble for most of the game. Although he ended up with four fouls, three of them were in the final minutes of play. I think the Arkansas defense collapsed on him a lot, making it hard to get shots.
Here is the game article and box score from the BU site: http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSI...
One funny thing is that if you look at the Arkansas basketball forum, a number of their fans delusionally think that the Bucknell win was a big upset. Arkansas would have won easily were it not for bad coaching.
Personally, I always thought of Bucknell as the favorite even though they were the lower seed. From checking Kenpom.com 2006, Arkansas was ranked #19 and Bucknell #56. Looking at those numbers, I can see why the Arkansas faithful thought that they would easily win.
Kenpom.com 2006: https://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2006
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BisonRoadWarrior
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08-22-17 02:38 PM - Post#232296
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In terms of appreciating Bucknell as having a substantial chance of winning that 2006 tournament game, one need only consider the fact that it was an 8 vs 9 game.
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08-22-17 04:49 PM - Post#232303
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I remember the Ark fans pointing out on this board that playing in Dallas was like a home game for the Hogs. Oops!
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Bison137
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-22-17 04:59 PM - Post#232305
In response to Bison89
Personally, I always thought of Bucknell as the favorite even though they were the lower seed. From checking Kenpom.com 2006, Arkansas was ranked #19 and Bucknell #56. Looking at those numbers, I can see why the Arkansas faithful thought that they would easily win.
Kenpom.com 2006: https://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2006
I think Bucknell's 56 ranking signicantly understates the quality of that team. You may recall after the wins over Syracuse, DePaul, and St. Joes, and a few other good performances, they were ranked much higher. However I had the feeling they were kind of bored when PL play started - and their ranking dropped during those two months.
When playing American, Lafayette, Colgate, Navy, and Army, they had to win by 25-37 points simply to keep from dropping in the rankings. And they had to beat Lehigh by 15+ points. I don't think they had the killer instinct to try to crush those league opponents, and Pat had no desire to run up the score. How many points could they have beaten Colgate or Army by had they played with the same intensity as when they played Syracuse or avillanova?
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08-22-17 07:00 PM - Post#232310
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Sad news out of Ball State. One of their players has passed away.
https://www.hustlebelt.com/platform/amp/2017/8/2 2/...
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Bison89
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08-22-17 10:11 PM - Post#232314
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It is always sad to hear when one who is just starting their life passes away. My condolences to his family and teammates.
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08-23-17 11:25 AM - Post#232321
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Vermont released its schedule, and posted a 7pm tip time for the Saturday, Dec 2 game at Bucknell.
http://uvmathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
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08-23-17 11:52 AM - Post#232322
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Vermont has 15 OOC games - and only two D1 home games (Siena and Quinnipiac). Apparently they were in the same boat as the Bison in terms of finding opponents who wanted to play them at home. Schedule is not quite as hard as that of Bucknell, but it is a good one, featuring games at Kentucky and at Marquette. They also play three games in Nassau (Bahamas) in a mid-major tournament where the best opponents are Iona and Northern Kentucky. They will have a reasonable chance to win that one.
Vermont returns most of their team that went 29-6 last year, including a 21-game winning streak prior to a loss in the NCAA tournament.
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08-23-17 02:35 PM - Post#232327
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An especially harsh way to lose a teammate:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...
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08-23-17 03:51 PM - Post#232331
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Vermont has 15 OOC games - and only two D1 home games (Siena and Quinnipiac). Apparently they were in the same boat as the Bison in terms of finding opponents who wanted to play them at home. Schedule is not quite as hard as that of Bucknell, but it is a good one, featuring games at Kentucky and at Marquette. They also play three games in Nassau (Bahamas) in a mid-major tournament where the best opponents are Iona and Northern Kentucky. They will have a reasonable chance to win that one.
Vermont returns most of their team that went 29-6 last year, including a 21-game winning streak prior to a loss in the NCAA tournament.
I saw them play in January and they are a talented team. Gave Purdue a tough time in the 1st round. I'm really looking forward to this game. Might have to take a road trip to Burlington next year.
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08-23-17 05:05 PM - Post#232333
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Might have to take a road trip to Burlington next year.
Yes, I'm hoping that one falls on a favorable date. Great opponent, appealing destination, and I haven't seen the Bison play in that state yet.
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
08-23-17 05:46 PM - Post#232335
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Might have to take a road trip to Burlington next year.
Yes, I'm hoping that one falls on a favorable date. Great opponent, appealing destination, and I haven't seen the Bison play in that state yet.
I don't think anyone has seen the Bison play in that state yet. I believe BU has never played a game in Vermont.
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08-23-17 07:57 PM - Post#232339
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Even though Bucknell has never played Vermont, there is a connection of sorts between the two teams. Anyone care to guess?
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08-23-17 08:18 PM - Post#232340
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Even though Bucknell has never played Vermont, there is a connection of sorts between the two teams. Anyone care to guess?
No idea, other than one of their players having been a HS teammate of Ryan Frazier. Just to clarify, the Bison have actually played Vermont twice - but both games were in Lewisburg.
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08-23-17 08:21 PM - Post#232341
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Hint: relates to the NCAA tournament.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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08-23-17 08:22 PM - Post#232342
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Even though Bucknell has never played Vermont, there is a connection of sorts between the two teams. Anyone care to guess?
Is it that both Bucknell and Vermont biggest wins in school history came on the same night when Vermont beat Syracuse and Bucknell beat Kansas?
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