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Username Post: 2018 Ivy Tournament Back At The Palestra        (Topic#20262)
mbaprof 
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Re: 2018 Ivy Tournament Back At The Palestra
01-06-18 06:04 AM - Post#242245    
    In response to TigerFan

You raise some very good points. Selfishly Id like to see the tournament at the Palestra every year but agree it was (would be ) unfair to a strong Ivy champ from HYP to have to play PENN at home.

I don't see why Jadwin couldnt be improved as a tournament venue with better and more sideline and end line seating. Princeton could certainly afford the capital outlay (or could get if funded via donations as Nova just did to improve their airplane hanger) and im sure temp seating could be brought in , although the likelihood of frequent hosting ought to be enough to just buy it. I hate going to Princeton but its an hour drive for many of the PENN fans and close to the huge alumni bases of all schools in NYC. I've been to many football games with great tailgating/tents on campus and the weather is certainly more conducive to this in NJ in March than in New England.

 
Okoro Dude 
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01-08-18 11:49 AM - Post#242697    
    In response to palestra38

Totally agree. The price for the tickets is silly and they did a horrible job promoting the tournament last year. You actually had to seek the tickets out and they weren't even available until February (and only on their own stupid, poorly functioning website instead of ticketmaster where it could be marketed and people would find it). If they were willing to sell tickets for 1/2 the price they are asking and promoted the tournament better among the season ticket bases and the local area, they could get 6,000 - 8,000 for both days and the atmosphere would be great. But, keeping it clubby and high-priced means empty seats even in Philly where there is the largest audience for Ivy basketball. Moving it anywhere else and it will be a much smaller event. I'm okay with that - I'll go wherever it is and enjoy it. But no point looking for arenas with more than 3,000 seats anywhere else under the current pricing and marketing strategy.

 
JDP 
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01-10-18 05:32 AM - Post#242830    
    In response to Okoro Dude

The tickets are about half as expensive this year ... for mid court section 214/215 they are $75 for all six games of the tournament ... and those seat have been selling, with five rows already gone for people who want to see the tournament regardless of who makes it.

Even the $125 chairbacks are more reasonably priced this year ... those you really have to wait until the school allotment goes on sale.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-28-18 11:16 AM - Post#244976    
    In response to Streamers

Big weekend coming up.
- The C's are playing at home for their lives against Dartmouth, and would really be helped by a win against Harvard.
- Dartmouth - just looking for a win
- Brown at Penn and Princeton could either separate the Bear's from the other bottom 4 or put them in a hole
- Princeton and Penn should move to 5-0 and 4-1 and sitting pretty for the tournament.
- Yale - Does Mason return at Princeton and Penn?
- Harvard - will complete first 5 of 6 on the road at least 4-2, possibly better, all without a healthy Bryce Aiken and Robert Baker.

What does all of this mean? If Mason is healthy and none of Brown, Columbia or Cornell surprise this weekend, the folly of the Ivy Tournament will be exposed as HYPP will have separated themselves from the rest of the league, only to play for nothing, not even home court advantage. Even if Yale gets swept on the road to fall to 2-4, if Mason comes back strong I feel the 4th spot is a foregone conclusion. If Mason is healthy enough for Yale to win at least one of the games, this regular season is in the books, even if Columbia or Cornell win 1 or 2 this weekend.



 
PVD.35 
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01-29-18 07:40 AM - Post#245057    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

What if Brown splits this weekend? With a Yale split already in the books?


 
Go Green 
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01-29-18 09:10 AM - Post#245063    
    In response to PVD.35

It appears that Dartmouth's Coach Koclanes is a fan of having the tourney at the Palestra permanently.

http://www.vnews.com/Dartmouth-women-s-bas ketball-... (quotes at end of article)

Of course, Dartmouth will have to play better than we did against Yale on Saturday to get there.

 
Tiger69 
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01-29-18 10:07 AM - Post#245068    
    In response to Go Green

What does he care?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-29-18 10:09 AM - Post#245069    
    In response to PVD.35

If Brown wins one at P’s it definitely separates them from the pack. Not in short term record, but certainly in long term prospects. Unless Yale does the same.

Princeton rolled at home against C’s, but Penn not as much. It will be interesting to see if Penn can win two more home contests in which it will be favored

 
Go Green 
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01-29-18 11:04 AM - Post#245071    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
What does he care?



Koclanes is female and coaches the Dartmouth women's team.

They're in the hunt.

 
PennFan10 
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01-29-18 01:16 PM - Post#245085    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:


Princeton rolled at home against C’s, but Penn not as much. It will be interesting to see if Penn can win two more home contests in which it will be favored



Yet somehow Penn managed to beat Princeton. Go figure.


 
mrjames 
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01-29-18 02:01 PM - Post#245086    
    In response to PennFan10

If you're attempting to be predictive, the best thing to look at are the in-league efficiency margins (adjusted for schedule played versus where the schedule SOS will finish).

As of right now (stated in points per possession):

1) Princeton: +0.22
2) Harvard: +0.08
3) Penn: +0.05
4) Columbia: +0.04
5) Yale: -0.01
6) Brown: -0.08
7) Dartmouth: -0.08
8) Cornell: -0.20

Generally, close games tend to be governed by a bit of randomness. So, it's hard to win the league playing more closer games than another team. Efficiency margins tend to be bouncy in the beginning, but by the midway point or so, they can be a nice indicator of which teams are likely to keep churning along and which ones might be primed for some Ls.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-29-18 04:16 PM - Post#245105    
    In response to PennFan10

Absolutely. Kudos to those at Penn responsible for the decision to change coaches and for the selection. Penn fans appear rightfully overjoyed at the quick and impressive dividends that pivot has paid. Amaker, Donahue, Bagnoli and now Reno are a testament to how decisive action by administrators can turn a program around.

 
penn nation 
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01-29-18 04:31 PM - Post#245107    
    In response to mrjames

Yes, that seems about right. Princeton is still the team to beat--they have the most upside, followed by Harvard (who will probably end up with a stronger figure by season's end with erstwhile injured players getting on the court more often).

 
mbaprof 
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01-31-18 08:10 AM - Post#245211    
    In response to Go Green

of course she was "one of ours" and knows the magic of the palestra
Koclanes began her college coaching career with four seasons at the University of Pennsylvania, which hosts the Ivy tournament in the Palestra, its legendary 91-year old arena. The coach’s smile grew when asked what playing there in March would do for her program.

“That’s the cathedral of college basketball, and I’ve been to many games there, men’s and women’s, where it’s so crowded you can’t move,” Koclanes said. “I want my players to experience what that’s like, because it’s an amazing environment.”

 
Go Green 
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02-01-18 06:54 AM - Post#245342    
    In response to mbaprof

  • mbaprof Said:
of course she was "one of ours" and knows the magic of the palestra
Koclanes began her college coaching career with four seasons at the University of Pennsylvania, which hosts the Ivy tournament in the Palestra, its legendary 91-year old arena. The coach’s smile grew when asked what playing there in March would do for her program.

“That’s the cathedral of college basketball, and I’ve been to many games there, men’s and women’s, where it’s so crowded you can’t move,” Koclanes said. “I want my players to experience what that’s like, because it’s an amazing environment.”



This could be her last chance to get there. You have to think that she's on the hot seat.

Dartmouth has shown some good improvement this season. Our strong OOC performance might give Koclanes another year if she narrowly misses the tournament this season. But... she'll be doing herself a great favor by qualifying.

 
rbg 
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02-02-18 09:29 AM - Post#245500    
    In response to Go Green

Belle Koclanes is in her 5th year with Dartmouth. Before her arrival, the Big Green were coached by Chris Wielgus, who lead the team from '76-'84 and '93-'13. Wielgus led the program to 12 titles in her 28 years with the last coming in '08-09 (18-11; 13-1 Ivy).

Wielgus' last four years:
'09-'10 -- 11-17 (6-8 Ivy)
'10-'11 -- 7-21 (3-11)
'11 - '12 -- 6-22 (4-10)
'12 - '13 -- 6-22 (4-10)

Koclanes first four+ years:
'13 - '14 -- 5-23 (2-12 Ivy)
'14 - '15 -- 14-14 (5-9)
'15 - '16 -- 12-18 (7-7)
'16 - '17 -- 8-19 (3-11)
'17 - '18 -- 10-7 (2-2)

It appears that she was tasked with rebuilding a once proud program and has been doing that. Seeing how the team is playing this year, it would appear that the 2016-2017 season was an aberration.

Not knowing the program or the school well, I would not be aware how much support or funding is given to women's basketball. My assumption is that it is not being given as much as Harvard, Penn and Princeton, which have consistently been the top 3 programs for Koclanes' time at Dartmouth. With lesser financial support, it is going to be difficult for any coach of the other 5 schools to consistently be in the upper division.

Reading and listening to her interviews, she appears to be a genuinely positive person who is respected by her players. She and her spouse also seem to active members of the Dartmouth athletic community. As a result, I would think that Dartmouth would be lucky to have her as their coach.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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02-02-18 10:12 AM - Post#245514    
    In response to rbg

Interesting that her official title is The Gail Koziara Boudreaux '82 and Family Head Coach.

Boudreaux. Now where have I seen that name before?

 
Go Green 
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02-02-18 12:42 PM - Post#245580    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
Interesting that her official title is The Gail Koziara Boudreaux '82 and Family Head Coach.

Boudreaux. Now where have I seen that name before?



Although she was before my time, Gail was without a doubt the best female basketball player at Dartmouth and likely would make the starting lineup of the All-Time Ivy women's team.

As for Evan... what could have been!!!

 
Quakers03 
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02-02-18 12:57 PM - Post#245584    
    In response to Go Green

What could have been?

 
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