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Username Post: Incoming Class        (Topic#20314)
SomeGuy 
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06-16-17 01:59 PM - Post#230149    
    In response to Dr. V

It appears that Sica is no longer on the roster. Assuming that is meaningful, I suppose it loosens the PT logjam just a bit.

 
SRP 
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06-16-17 06:33 PM - Post#230154    
    In response to SomeGuy

I would be disappointed to lose Mike's input over here, because he adds a lot to the discussion and really cares about Ivy hoops. But if the sub-normal background level (for a fan board) of civil critique here from the likes of Chet, a self-described homer, is becoming too much for him, then perhaps he is correct that he ought to step away. Hope not, though, for selfish reasons.

 
SRP 
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06-16-17 06:34 PM - Post#230155    
    In response to SRP

As for the incoming freshman, the NY guy Klores may be getting overlooked--he averaged over eight assists per game as a senior, a pretty high number for a HS player.

 
bradley 
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06-18-17 07:17 AM - Post#230166    
    In response to SomeGuy

Mr James has done a good job in the past as to providing input regarding recruits based on his track record over time. No one will ever be perfect but he has been pretty darn accurate and it is not an easy task to project the potential contribution of an 18 year old.

If one is truly a homer, your perspective by definition will be distorted and your predictive abilities will be reflective.

Columbia's incoming class does appear to be pretty darn solid and it will be interesting to see if Coach Engles can get everyone to play defense. Time will tell.

 
Tiger69 
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06-19-17 10:41 PM - Post#230200    
    In response to bradley

I read Mike's posts with interest because, regardless of his Harvard affiliation, he clearly knows what he is talking about and his analysis is on a level far above many of us (certainly myself!). I have learned a lot from his statistics and observations. That doesn't mean I always agree with him or like his conclusions. But, I certainly respect what he says.

But, for humor and wit there are many other fine posters. And then there are the hopeful, but not very knowledgeable, fans like me.... We are the beneficiaries!

 
sparman 
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06-20-17 07:22 PM - Post#230237    
    In response to Tiger69

Some Columbia targets mentioned:

Columbia offers

 
Chet Forte 
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06-21-17 02:52 PM - Post#230272    
    In response to sparman

I have been catching a few spears on this board for my comments on Mike's general negativity on our program in general and his "damning with faint praise" comments on our incoming class, especially Faulds. But my intent was certainly not to turn this into a referendum on Mike's generally excellent reporting, notwithstanding his biases and mine. And I willingly and openly admit to seeing Columbia MBB without any pretense of objectivity. In any event, I hope that Mike keeps posting here, and that he will be proven to have underestimated Faulds, the rest of the incoming class, and our 2017-2018 team.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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06-21-17 10:22 PM - Post#230279    
    In response to Chet Forte

The constant conversation about Mike James is BORING! Let's move on to someone else; e.g. Luke Petrasek who has worked out for four NBA Teams--Knicks, Brooklyn, Lakers and Kings--and has been referred to as a "sleeper" selection in tomorrow night's NBA draft. I will be rooting for Luke to get drafted, preferably by Brooklyn. What do you guys think?

 
LionFan 
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Reg: 11-07-06
06-22-17 06:13 AM - Post#230283    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I'm not sure I would wish the Nets on a ballplayer I like.


 
Tiger69 
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06-22-17 11:06 PM - Post#230303    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Brooklyn? Does it have a basketball team? I haven't thought about Brooklyn since the Dodgers skipped town in 1957.

 
Chet Forte 
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06-23-17 09:14 AM - Post#230319    
    In response to Tiger69

Watching the draft last night I actually came away thinking that Luke was probably as good a prospect as some of the other stretch 4 "projects" who were taken in the second round. Somebody will take a closer look at him. Even though we found it frustrating that he never dominated, here is an athletic 6'10" who can shoot from anywhere in the court.


 
SRP 
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06-23-17 05:31 PM - Post#230333    
    In response to Chet Forte

You get a pretty good idea of how hard it would be for an Ivy player to get drafted when you see guys like Josh Hart and Sindarius Thornwell go as late as they did.

 
sparman 
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06-24-17 07:04 AM - Post#230336    
    In response to SRP

And a player like Melo Trimble not get drafted at all.

 
SRP 
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06-25-17 01:10 AM - Post#230344    
    In response to sparman

I mean, Hart was KenPom's player of the year.
http://kenpom.com/blog/your-2017-kpoy-j osh-hart/


 
bradley 
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06-25-17 07:21 AM - Post#230346    
    In response to SRP

It says a lot when very good recent IL players -- Saunders, Sears etc. do not get drafted. Is there anyone currently playing IL BB that will get drafted? Probably not although Towns may have an outside shot if his game really improves. He has the size, shooting stroke and athleticism.

Another indicator as to improved IL play will be the number of players who get invited to a NBA camp on a yearly basis. Spieth has an invite by the Mavericks and perhaps one or two others seniors may get invitations.

A long way to go before IL players get drafted like the good old days but remember that one of the arguments for the IL Tournament that it will significantly bolster recruiting efforts. Time will tell.

 
Silver Maple 
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06-25-17 08:52 AM - Post#230348    
    In response to bradley

You could argue that the fact that it's now so ridiculously hard to get into the NBA actually works in our conference's favor with respect to recruiting.

 
LionFan 
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Reg: 11-07-06
06-26-17 06:06 AM - Post#230354    
    In response to Silver Maple

Don't forget in the "good old days" the NBA draft was 7 rounds. Now it has only 2. And unlike some years ago, many draft slots are taken by foregn players. The NBA has recrafted its draft as a spectacle and marketing tool, rather than a restocking tool. Plus all tbose undrafted invitees get paid less than they would have if they had been middle round draftees. Like it or not, the path to the NBA for mid-major players runs through the summer leagues and camp invitations. The draft is for the power conference bandit schools and foreign pros.

 
sparman 
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sparman
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06-26-17 08:34 AM - Post#230356    
    In response to Silver Maple

Except that too many kids coming out of HS think they are the one who will be drafted. A recent article in the Washington Post recently said something like 47% of women playing D1 think they will play professional or Olympic basketball.

 
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