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Username Post: 2019 Recruiting        (Topic#20335)
Jeff2sf 
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09-12-18 09:23 AM - Post#261138    
    In response to 10Q

fwiw, verbal commits doesn't have him as a 4* in any of the rankings.

the offer list would seemingly put him in a different class than most of our recruits though.

 
TheLine 
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09-12-18 09:30 AM - Post#261141    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Rivals has him as 4* though that doesn't appear on VC for some reason. ESPN has him as 3*.

Not that it matters. And certainly would prefer him to be a 2* right now.


 
Silver Maple 
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2019 Recruiting
09-12-18 09:44 AM - Post#261143    
    In response to 10Q

I get the impression that he's more of a 2.5-3 star prospect.

My big question is, when did Penn become the second best team in the Big 5?

 
10Q 
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09-12-18 09:47 AM - Post#261145    
    In response to Silver Maple

We're not. We would be lucky to be considered the third best.

 
AsiaSunset 
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Re: 2019 Recruiting
09-12-18 09:56 AM - Post#261146    
    In response to Silver Maple

Would not fret too much about rankings as an ESPN 79 is the top of the 3* range. Michael Wang had the same number. If you get an 80 rating you're a 4**** but at the bottom of the 4**** range.

VC has him as a composite 2.5, but since the VC composite is supposed to be a composite of Rivals (4****) and ESPN (3***) and Scout (not rated) the VC composite number is virtually meaningless.

 
TheLine 
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09-12-18 09:59 AM - Post#261147    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I trust insight from Mike James and nychoops more than a Rivals/Scout/ESPN composite.



 
besnoah 
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09-12-18 11:06 AM - Post#261151    
    In response to TheLine

My limited view is that his offer list (and the offers he got over this summer) makes him seem pretty impressive, even if he needs serious development.

 
Silver Maple 
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09-12-18 11:08 AM - Post#261152    
    In response to besnoah

Have you read anything that suggests that he's a project? My experience is that players who are described as 'projects' almost never amount to anything.

 
TheLine 
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09-12-18 11:27 AM - Post#261153    
    In response to Silver Maple

There's obviously a lot of parsing when reading anything online, but I wouldn't consider Lorca-Lloyd a 'big guy project', especially at our level. Don't think he's necessarily being viewed as ready two-way player day 1 as Brodeur was, or even Wang may be - but he is at NMH, which plays a highly competitive schedule. Sounds like his defense is ahead of his offense, which is OK.


 
mrjames 
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09-12-18 01:33 PM - Post#261159    
    In response to TheLine

Very much appreciated, but I may not be of much help this season - at least with up-to-date info. Totally agree that nychoops can be helpful here, and I'd also highly recommend regional sites over the national ones, except for those Top 100/150 kids. NERR, for instance, does a fantastic job overall and does especially well with kids that have been in New England for multiple years. Max is No. 6 there, which would edge Zena as the highest ever in those rankings to go Ivy. Typically almost all of the Top 10 goes high major and most of the 11-20 folks will have that option as well.

The list of Top 20 recruits in NERR to go Ivy over the past decade isn't all that long: Idan Tretout (2019), Noah Kirkwood (2018), Ethan Wright (2018), AJ, Corey Johnson, Makai Mason, Zena, Kyle Casey.

 
Jeff2sf 
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09-12-18 02:24 PM - Post#261164    
    In response to mrjames

burnout (bored with ivies, ncaas), family, or job?

 
palestra38 
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09-12-18 02:32 PM - Post#261165    
    In response to Jeff2sf

From Mike's post on the Ivy League Board:

Now to return to my comment about my hiatus from the top. My wife and I are about to have our third child, which is incredibly exciting. Between #dayjob and #dadlife, something has to give. Covering the league the way I'd want to cover it (checking in with folks around the league, watching a bunch of games from across the league, booting up the code), just doesn't seem like it will be possible - at least in the short run. So I'm going to power down the Twitter feed and my active participation on these boards for this season. I'll still be checking in from time to time, and I hope to get back to covering the league in the future. But I need to be realistic about my time, and this seems like it has to be on my cut list.

I'll still be watching, and if we can survive the usual devastation in October and November, it could be a HUGE year for our league!

-Mike

 
Jeff2sf 
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09-12-18 02:59 PM - Post#261166    
    In response to palestra38

thanks. i can't believe i missed that page/post. good luck with the kid. I have 4 and anybody that's not playing zone defense with kids has it easy*.







* - i wanted to leave it intentionally inflammatory but my old age will point out that those who have special needs kids obviously have it way harder.

 
penn nation 
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09-12-18 04:44 PM - Post#261168    
    In response to Jeff2sf

My first two were twins so I never knew what it was like to "just" have a singleton.

 
Penndemonium 
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09-12-18 06:13 PM - Post#261176    
    In response to Silver Maple

There are articles that say he has only played basketball for 5 years.

From his video:
- He looked like he could be a great shot blocker.
- He is described as a great rebounder on both ends, although it wasn't obvious on his highlight video. I couldn't tell if he used his positioning and had a continuous motor.
- He had some good moves, although his shot and dribble look a bit funny.
- Very interesting combination of height and athleticism.
- He would be a great get for us!


  • Silver Maple Said:
Have you read anything that suggests that he's a project? My experience is that players who are described as 'projects' almost never amount to anything.



 
Penndemonium 
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09-12-18 11:44 PM - Post#261182    
    In response to 10Q

I believe AJ Brodeur was the only one in a very long time.

  • 10Q Said:
A 4 star? Penn is in the running for a 4 star? When did we last get a 4 star?




 
Silver Maple 
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09-13-18 08:33 AM - Post#261188    
    In response to Penndemonium

I thought Brodeur was pretty universally rated at 3 stars. Were there any recruiting sources rating him at 4?

Not that any of this really matters. Perhaps we should be having a conversation on accuracy vs. precision.

 
TheLine 
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09-13-18 10:26 AM - Post#261195    
    In response to Silver Maple

Think you're right about that. Also rankings from the recruiting sites are not the end-all. They aren't as invested in it as the coaches are, especially at the level of recruit we're talking about.

Bruner was a somewhat higher ranked recruit than Brodeur. Who you want now? Sure, the answer could be different if Bruner was healthy but it's unclear healthy Bruner is a thing.

Comparing Brodeur and Lorca-Lloyd - Brodeur had more polish, an unquestioned motor, and was athletic enough. Lorca-Lloyd is more raw relatively speaking but can play, has better athleticism, and a body that many think will fill out well. If Lorca-Lloyd had Brodeur's polish then he'd probably be a good high major recruit.


 
91Quake 
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09-13-18 02:30 PM - Post#261221    
    In response to TheLine

Jordan Dingle visited Penn last weekend. Shooting guard from LI who is playing at Blair Academy. BU trip this weekend then St. Louis and Dartmouth also contenders. A good list of mid major offers overall.

 
Penndemonium 
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09-14-18 03:24 AM - Post#261252    
    In response to Silver Maple

  • Silver Maple Said:
I thought Brodeur was pretty universally rated at 3 stars. Were there any recruiting sources rating him at 4?

Not that any of this really matters. Perhaps we should be having a conversation on accuracy vs. precision.



Perhaps he was one of those players downgraded when he committed to Penn?

 
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