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Username Post: 2020 Recruiting        (Topic#20343)
palestra38 
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04-29-20 11:10 AM - Post#306793    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

It just goes to show you that the college experience is much more than the classes. That's just how they charge you. And without the experience, it isn't worth the charge.

 
penn nation 
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04-29-20 02:09 PM - Post#306808    
    In response to palestra38

My father-in-law got an Ed.D. from an on-line university.

 
Penndemonium 
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-29-04
04-29-20 03:20 PM - Post#306810    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

This is a classic view and I understand it - but I do wish at least one of the ivies actually tried to innovate and make itself accessible to larger populations through distance learning. We've all benefited from the elitism of the institutions, and elitism preserves the funding, branding, and population segmenting that comes with them. That said, if one ivy broke ranks, it would force the others to actually innovate in their business model and population a bit.

If you think that is negative, ask yourself how much has school enrollment grown in the last 40 years? Certainly not enough to make the schools as accessible as they were to us. How many of us would get into our colleges today? That is why I won't shed a tear for the ivies if their model is upended one day.

That said, I think their ecosystem is protected and safe for now. Athletics is one chink in the armor and Covid-19 distance learning is another. It would take lot more to disrupt their current entrenched advantages.

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
How many enterprising colleges will offer online degrees for a lesser price once the infrastructure is built?

Hopefully not the Ivies, but I could see many others charging for a distanced degree. University of Phoenix will have competition. Betsy Devos will have her hands full! Politicians will pitch this as a way to avoid student debt. No hazing, less sexual harrassment. Sporting events can take place but without fans. Normal?




 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-29-20 03:37 PM - Post#306811    
    In response to Penndemonium

Can you take an online HarvardX course if you belong to a single sex social or golf club?

Can you captain a sports team?

 
Streamers 
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Streamers
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
2020 Recruiting
04-29-20 05:27 PM - Post#306814    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Penn's business model has evolved more than you might think.
There is also this - continuing Ed and the evening school has been around for decades until it was folded into college of General Studies now rebranded LPS.

Edited by Streamers on 04-29-20 05:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Penndemonium 
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Reg: 11-29-04
04-30-20 03:19 AM - Post#306826    
    In response to Streamers

Lo and behold, a professor at NYU commented on exactly these issues. I obviously subscribed (and paid) for an Ivy education. It served me well. That said, I agree with many of his points.

Maybe the ivies don't have to be the ground-breaker, and perhaps certain schools should just focus on pushing the envelope of academia rather than the number of people served. Still, higher education has been extremely slow to change.



 
Streamers 
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Streamers
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04-30-20 09:26 AM - Post#306831    
    In response to Penndemonium

One thing I have preached for a while is that the value of an undergraduate Ivy education is more about branding and relationships than the actual education that can be replicated in most cases in a state school. Graduate degrees are much more evaluated by the reputation of the granting institution.

If you can say on your resume that you have a Wharton degree, exactly how you got it (daytime, nighttime, onsite or remote) does not matter very much. OTOH, remote learning does not foster the kind of long term relationships that make up so much of the value of conventional learning.

Bottom line: some learning works remotely, but the pricing needs to reflect the diminished overall value.

 
Mike Porter 
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Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
2020 Recruiting
05-02-20 04:25 AM - Post#306899    
    In response to Streamers

Clark Slajchert is still racking up awards. Per Twitter he has been honored with:

- Being named to LA Times All-Star Boys Basketball team: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sport...

- Being named to Division 2, 1st Team All State by CalHiSports.com: https://www.calhisports.com/2020/04/25/boys-bb-di v...

In good company on both lists.

 
UPIA1968 
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UPIA1968
Loc: Cornwall, PA
Reg: 11-20-06
Re: 2020 Recruiting
05-02-20 09:05 PM - Post#306933    
    In response to Mike Porter

Note in the LA all stars the 6'10" kid headed for Pussyville.

 
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