T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 07:38 AM - Post#306270
In response to Mike Porter
I don't have any insight, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps Colin is an AI booster...
I'm going to assume that Admissions has done its homework and confirmed that this kid's dad hasn't been indicted for Medicare fraud.
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mbaprof
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 07:45 AM - Post#306271
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Paul Chambers son
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-...
i believe he is a preferred walk on, seems like a good fit for that role
Will be fun to have his Dad and Tj Berger’s Dad and mom around the Palestra more often
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 08:34 AM - Post#306272
In response to mbaprof
Paul Chambers also was a basketball walk-on--brought in by Schneider in his last season along with some other football players after Clyde Jr was graduated and Hassan Duncombe found the other method out of Penn and the team was bereft of talent. He made himself a very good player after being extremely raw his first couple of seasons. Had a great senior year.
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westphillywarrior
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 10:30 AM - Post#306276
In response to mbaprof
Does a " preferred walk on" count towards the AI?
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 11:09 AM - Post#306278
In response to westphillywarrior
Just speculating, but I would think that a preferred walk on would have to count toward AI if he actually played. Otherwise, it could be a pretty big loophole (you could go below the AI floor simply by designating a player as a walk on).
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 11:55 AM - Post#306280
In response to SomeGuy
You can't ever go below the AI floor. The floor exists along with averaging. Back in the good old days, though, you could use anyone that indicated any interest in basketball toward your AI averaging. They shut that down and limited "counters" to 1.4 times the traveling limit in a four-year span. But you're still free to count anyone toward your AI average, just have to manage those boosters and your real recruited numbers within the overall limit.
And to be clear, there's a fun list of AI All-Stars that gets joked about - players that were All-Ivy level talents AND brought 220s-230s to the party as well...
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mbaprof
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04-16-20 12:17 PM - Post#306281
In response to mrjames
Probably more of an issue for the other teams to bring up the ai overall, although football has to be the big issue due to roster size
Good article
https://www.fencingparents.org/college-bound-fence...
Pfd walk ons count and probably have to score pretty well to take a slot
I’m so glad the Jerome sold out the institution so that this issue comes up with a fine kid from a great family who can play a bit in a good league
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SteveChop
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04-16-20 12:44 PM - Post#306282
In response to mbaprof
Mike James (or others knowledgeable about AI) - does this article reflect what you know about the AI? It seems consistent with the VERY LITTLE that I know about AI. Comments?
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Mike Porter
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04-16-20 12:53 PM - Post#306283
In response to SteveChop
Ah, Paul Chambers was before my time but know of him. I just totally didn't together the pieces with my middle of the night post, haha.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 01:36 PM - Post#306284
In response to mrjames
And by “ever,†I assume that means you can’t appear in the basketball game if you are below the floor. Is that correct? The reason this is relevant is because there are students who don’t play sports who would be below the floor.
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 02:02 PM - Post#306285
In response to SomeGuy
That article seems to have some old information (for instance, AI isn't calculated that way anymore) and some oddly worded information (each team's average doesn't have to be within one SD of the campus average - rather... the overall average of the non-football athletes needs to be within one SD of the average).
The part that does align with my understanding is that, generally, teams are given an AI average target to hit that will contribute to the overall athletic department hitting its assigned AI average. That process isn't mandated by the rules (only hitting the AI average within one SD of the mean is) but seems to be the common practice of how Ivies get to that number.
SomeGuy - not entirely sure the answer to your question... it would be weird to me that someone would get into an Ivy below the floor with D-I skills that wouldn't have been on the recruiting radar and thus coded as an athletic recruit. Entirely possible to admit for other reasons, though I have to imagine they'd be Ivy ineligible as a freshman (not sure if there's a way to "earn" your way in after that). Typically, Ivies handle those cases by stashing them in the NEPSAC for a year.
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Quakers03
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2020 Recruiting 04-16-20 02:25 PM - Post#306286
In response to Mike Porter
Ah, Paul Chambers was before my time but know of him. I just totally didn't together the pieces with my middle of the night post, haha.
I now officially feel old. Paul and Vince are really my first memories of Penn basketball as a youngster going to games. That his son will be attending is just crazy. Congrats to the family. I don't know if Vince checks in anymore but I'm sure he's proud.
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Penndemonium
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04-17-20 02:40 AM - Post#306300
In response to Quakers03
Paul Chambers was one of the greatest warriors in Penn basketball history. He is up there with Rosen and Foreman in terms of having sheer will to win. He played on some pretty bad teams in the Schneider year, but brought the team back to relevance with outstanding defense, toughness and leadership. At 5'10, he somehow made himself the player you couldn't stop paying attention to. Jerome Allen commented that when he came to Penn, he couldn't understand how he was getting out-hustled by Chambers in practice. He gives Chambers credit for showing him how to work.
I'm glad to see his son attending Penn, and don't underestimate him if he is anything like his old man.
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Charlie Fog
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-17-20 06:43 AM - Post#306302
In response to Quakers03
Paul's brother Tim was a badass on the football field.
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SteveChop
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-17-20 09:55 AM - Post#306306
In response to Charlie Fog
And in the movies where Tim made the film "The Mighty Macs" about the Immaculata College (now University) womens' teams of the early 70s, a film that was invested in by the aforementioned Vince Curran. My wife is an Immaculata alum from that era and was in the movie as an extra but, alas, wound up on the cutting room floor.
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Silver Maple
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04-17-20 10:44 AM - Post#306309
In response to SteveChop
Some of my most cherished Penn football memories involve Tim Chambers.
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mbaprof
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-17-20 12:00 PM - Post#306312
In response to SteveChop
Might be time to watch it on prime!
I think its great that young Colin is coming to play , maybe it will help purge the awful taste left by Jerome’s disgraceful use of that recruiting slot
lets hope he is able to hit the court a bit over the next four years, you know he will be busting his butt as a “chambersâ€!
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Streamers
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04-17-20 12:09 PM - Post#306313
In response to Silver Maple
Brother Pat has been quite successful as HC at State.
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Penndemonium
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04-17-20 01:36 PM - Post#306316
In response to Streamers
Do I remember correctly that Paul was also a football player at Penn before dedicating himself to basketball?
I still think he was the grittiest defender I have ever seen in a Penn uniform. I think he set the stage for Penn's resurgence and incredible defense of those 1992-1996 teams. He set the tone for players like Barry Pierce, Eric Moore, and Jerome Allen on defense. Those teams would really lock down.
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Streamers
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04-17-20 04:31 PM - Post#306325
In response to Penndemonium
Pretty sure Paul was a football recruit.
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