Penn90
Masters Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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04-19-20 11:45 AM - Post#306373
In response to Streamers
I believe another football player, Joe Johnson, also contributed to the Paul Chambers team.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32812
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-19-20 12:18 PM - Post#306374
In response to Penn90
Scott Schewe
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Quakers03
Professor
Posts: 12533
Reg: 12-07-04
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04-23-20 02:58 PM - Post#306568
In response to Buckeye Quake
God I hope this kid isn't reading this. If you are Matteus, great clips and we'd love to welcome you at Penn.
Looks like we dodged a bullet
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Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1601
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-23-20 07:18 PM - Post#306581
In response to Quakers03
"We"?
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Quakers03
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Posts: 12533
Reg: 12-07-04
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04-24-20 11:26 AM - Post#306602
In response to Buckeye Quake
How you could even respond after taking an L like that is beyond me, but here we are.
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SomeGuy
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Reg: 11-22-04
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04-24-20 12:15 PM - Post#306605
In response to palestra38
Williams could play a fifth year at Penn, and presumably still then go the grad route and perhaps play 2 more years. Who knows if he wants 7 years of school to get his college basketball in, but he’s kept working this long.
So he seems like a more likely candidate for a fifth year at Penn, simply because he should still have the grad option after that.
Of course, with his injuries, will be happy for him if he just makes it onto the court at some point.
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section110
Masters Student
Posts: 847
Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
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04-24-20 12:57 PM - Post#306615
In response to SomeGuy
I read somewhere that he has already been approved by the NCAA for a fifth year (pre-virus report). I would be stunned if they wouldn't give him a sixth year with the injury history.
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Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts: 1601
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-24-20 06:28 PM - Post#306641
In response to Quakers03
I'm sure your opinion matters to someone here but you can wave it at someone else. I'm not in that limited club.
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westcoast
Senior
Posts: 302
Reg: 03-08-16
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04-26-20 05:31 PM - Post#306659
In response to Buckeye Quake
Apparently T.J. Berger has de-committed from Penn.
https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/12 544836246...
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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04-26-20 10:16 PM - Post#306667
In response to westcoast
That sucks. I’m curious why - given much of the uncertainty of the coming academic year, seems like a strange time to do so.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32812
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-26-20 10:38 PM - Post#306668
In response to SteveChop
Let's see if he enrolls in a 5th year prep program. If so, you can guess it was academics. But let's wait and see.
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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2020 Recruiting 04-26-20 10:56 PM - Post#306669
In response to palestra38
Yes, this is of course very unfortunate and strange... both parents went to Penn, near to home so family can watch, etc. Really curious what is at play here.
In terms of how this impacts team, this makes an already thin 2020 recruiting class thinner, at a time when the next 2021 class is going to be tough with likely less testing available. That’s not great.
TJ looks like a great shooter so no doubt seemed to be a great fit for Donahue’s offense. Based on offers and AAU stats, seemed he was probably 3rd most sought after recruit after Slajchert and Laczkowski (in a class not as strong as we’d like), but this is unfortunate and probably really crystallizes our 2020 class as being bottom half of league (by lack of depth, still like potential of players)...
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-26-20 11:37 PM - Post#306670
In response to Mike Porter
Again, given the great strength of this year's freshman class, the real issue will be the health of Wang, Jelani and Bryce and the following class. I'm really not worried about losing what at best would have been a nice Ivy player. I just want to see what this team looks like with Lorca-Lloyd playing major minutes with as athletic a team as we have had in eons.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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04-27-20 12:01 AM - Post#306671
In response to westcoast
I liked the look of Berger. Especially loved that he is a shooter. How disappointing.
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 12:37 AM - Post#306672
In response to palestra38
We will very likely be worse next season than this season, and this season was a disappointment. Don’t get me wrong, I think we’ll compete and be fun, but will be far from favorites to win even if we do get everyone healthy. You don’t get out of the hole without adding more talent.
I’m a huge fan of the current frosh class and think they have the potential to be as good or better than the graduating seniors, BUT... the reason the graduating seniors were 15-15 their last 30 Ivy League games is simple. Not enough depth due to missed recruiting classes. Was a big reason for that injuries? Yep, totally, which is why it is so important to bring in not just quality, but some level of quantity.
This is actually why I find the 2020 class especially frustrating. After a great class like 2019 (great in quality and quantity), you must stack another good class. 1 great class every 4 years isn’t going to cut it. I really like Slajchert and Laczkowski from what I’ve seen and read and Case looks like he has tools worth taking a late chance on for sure, but not enough depth and that could come to bite us later (it sure did last two years).
Here’s to hoping there is another surprise quality addition to 2020 class to help makeup for loss of Berger. I really like Andy Barba from what I’ve watched and what nychoops said. If he reclassified to 2020 and committed I would feel a whole lot better, but who knows odds of that. There is just safety in numbers and we don’t seem to be getting where we need to be to achieve that safety.
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 09:46 AM - Post#306676
In response to Mike Porter
I think that a lot of us have preconceived notions about incoming classes that are not based on reliable information. I never make predictions about players until I see them play at this level. Few would have predicted 2 potential stars in last year's class with one of them (the one with the most glowing reviews) never playing. I'm not sure that Berger was a player who was going to be a difference maker, but it's too bad he won't be coming. I don't think it had anything to do with our team or staff, though.
As for next year, I am looking forward to it with anticipation. As a 50 year fan of college basketball, I just love the 4 year changeovers and transition. It's too bad AJ didn't get to go out as we would have liked, but the issue is that we needed to replace the two guards who brought us to our last title. And I think they now are there and are only sophs. The big question will be Wang's health and the integration of Lorca-Lloyd into our gameplan. I'm not too worried about making the playoff with that talent level, though. I think Harvard has something to worry about on offense as does Princeton after losing Aririguzoh. Only Yale looks like a lock.
One of the things I don't think gets enough attention was how much our ridiculous scheduling hurt us this year. We gave up home games and were forced to go into the 2 Princeton games cold. We never got into any sort of rhythm until very late in the year, after it was almost too late. While I understand trying to upgrade the schedule, the way we did it was a terrible mistake. I hope we go back to playing competitive teams in home and home settings---teams like the A-10, Colonial and MAAC. Beating Providence and Bama wasn't worth much by the time we got to 2020.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 10:02 AM - Post#306680
In response to palestra38
I mean, the schedule is unlikely to improve. Much like last season, Penn has to count every Myrtle Beach Invite game (they're out of allowable, exempt MTEs per Ivy rules until the 21-22 season). So that means they have:
14 Ivy Games
3 MTE Games
4 Big 5 Games
6 Remaining Games (possibly 5 if Penn in fact did get penalized for playing excess MTEs)
I don't exactly know what their return situation looks like or if they're going to play one of the other teams in the Myrtle field (since exempt teams get a fourth game for free and are likely to offer one - mostly likely Dayton or Pittsburgh would make sense for proximity). But that leaves precious little wiggle room for traditional matchups...
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weinhauers_ghost
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Loc: New York City
Reg: 12-14-09
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 10:04 AM - Post#306681
In response to palestra38
I really, really hated having to play Princeton on successive weekends to open the Ivy schedule the last two years. I thought going 0-4 in those games really put us behind the eight ball, and while we managed to right the ship enough to sneak into the tournament as the #4 seed, both seasons were really scuffles.
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Stuart Suss
PhD Student
Posts: 1439
Loc: Chester County, Pennsylva...
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 10:48 AM - Post#306685
In response to mrjames
Mike James,
Does this article accurately summarize the rules proposal for college basketball schedules?
It appears to prohibit 4th games in exempt tournaments, such as last year's Penn at Providence game.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2020 Recruiting 04-27-20 10:56 AM - Post#306689
In response to Stuart Suss
YES! With all the stuff going on, I forgot that proposal.
Wouldn't really matter for Penn's schedule, since it would have counted either way, but makes it far less likely those schools would care to schedule Penn, specifically.
So, then, Penn probably has 5 or 6 slots for games depending on whether the Ivy League chose to penalize Penn for playing extra MTEs. I assume some of those games have been announced by Rothstein or similar and some of them are already contracted return games.
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