palestra38
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04-29-20 11:10 AM - Post#306793
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
It just goes to show you that the college experience is much more than the classes. That's just how they charge you. And without the experience, it isn't worth the charge.
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penn nation
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04-29-20 02:09 PM - Post#306808
In response to palestra38
My father-in-law got an Ed.D. from an on-line university.
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Penndemonium
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04-29-20 03:20 PM - Post#306810
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
This is a classic view and I understand it - but I do wish at least one of the ivies actually tried to innovate and make itself accessible to larger populations through distance learning. We've all benefited from the elitism of the institutions, and elitism preserves the funding, branding, and population segmenting that comes with them. That said, if one ivy broke ranks, it would force the others to actually innovate in their business model and population a bit.
If you think that is negative, ask yourself how much has school enrollment grown in the last 40 years? Certainly not enough to make the schools as accessible as they were to us. How many of us would get into our colleges today? That is why I won't shed a tear for the ivies if their model is upended one day.
That said, I think their ecosystem is protected and safe for now. Athletics is one chink in the armor and Covid-19 distance learning is another. It would take lot more to disrupt their current entrenched advantages.
How many enterprising colleges will offer online degrees for a lesser price once the infrastructure is built?
Hopefully not the Ivies, but I could see many others charging for a distanced degree. University of Phoenix will have competition. Betsy Devos will have her hands full! Politicians will pitch this as a way to avoid student debt. No hazing, less sexual harrassment. Sporting events can take place but without fans. Normal?
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-29-20 03:37 PM - Post#306811
In response to Penndemonium
Can you take an online HarvardX course if you belong to a single sex social or golf club?
Can you captain a sports team?
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Streamers
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2020 Recruiting
04-29-20 05:27 PM - Post#306814
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Penn's business model has evolved more than you might think.
There is also this - continuing Ed and the evening school has been around for decades until it was folded into college of General Studies now rebranded LPS.
Edited by Streamers on 04-29-20 05:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Penndemonium
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04-30-20 03:19 AM - Post#306826
In response to Streamers
Lo and behold, a professor at NYU commented on exactly these issues. I obviously subscribed (and paid) for an Ivy education. It served me well. That said, I agree with many of his points.
Maybe the ivies don't have to be the ground-breaker, and perhaps certain schools should just focus on pushing the envelope of academia rather than the number of people served. Still, higher education has been extremely slow to change.
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Streamers
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04-30-20 09:26 AM - Post#306831
In response to Penndemonium
One thing I have preached for a while is that the value of an undergraduate Ivy education is more about branding and relationships than the actual education that can be replicated in most cases in a state school. Graduate degrees are much more evaluated by the reputation of the granting institution.
If you can say on your resume that you have a Wharton degree, exactly how you got it (daytime, nighttime, onsite or remote) does not matter very much. OTOH, remote learning does not foster the kind of long term relationships that make up so much of the value of conventional learning.
Bottom line: some learning works remotely, but the pricing needs to reflect the diminished overall value.
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Mike Porter
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2020 Recruiting
05-02-20 04:25 AM - Post#306899
In response to Streamers
Clark Slajchert is still racking up awards. Per Twitter he has been honored with:
- Being named to LA Times All-Star Boys Basketball team: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sport...
- Being named to Division 2, 1st Team All State by CalHiSports.com: https://www.calhisports.com/2020/04/25/boys-bb-di v...
In good company on both lists.
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UPIA1968
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Re: 2020 Recruiting
05-02-20 09:05 PM - Post#306933
In response to Mike Porter
Note in the LA all stars the 6'10" kid headed for Pussyville.
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PennFan10
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05-28-20 07:55 PM - Post#308078
In response to Cvonvorys
Steve Donahue was interviewed by alum Max Rothschild as part of the Wharton undergraduate Sports Club and among other things he mentioned they have 4 for this year and may be adding another recruit to this class.
He talked about next years recruiting, the schedule change, how the pandemic has affected recruiting, how the league has changed since his days at Cornell, the leagues ability to get ranked players, and a range of other things. It went about an hour. I missed the first part but heard most of it. Hopefully its available via replay somewhere.
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Mike Porter
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05-28-20 09:08 PM - Post#308081
In response to PennFan10
Oh very interesting, would like to listen to that also. Hopefully they do make a replay available somewhere. If someone sees one, do let us know here.
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rbg
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2020 Recruiting
07-15-20 12:38 PM - Post#310416
In response to Mike Porter
Men's Basketball Announces Class of 2024 Recruits
https://pennathletics.com/news/2020/7/15/mens-b ask...
Matteus Case, Colin Chambers, Andrew Laczkowski, and Clark Slajchert
Matteus Case (6'5") - from Toronto. Went to Chaminde Prep School in St. Louis. College of Arts & Sciences
Colin Chambers (6'0") - Episcopal Academy, son of former Penn basketball player Paul Chambers, nephew of former Penn football player and Hall of Fame member Tim Chambers, and nephew of Penn State basketball coach Pat Chambers. College of Arts & Sciences
Andrew Laczkowski (6'6") - St. Mark's School in Dallas. Scored 2,054 points in his high school career. Wharton.
Clark Slajchert (6'1") - Oak Park school in LA. Scored 2,833 points in his career, finishing second in Ventura County history and 17th in California history. Helped his team to three Coastal Canyon League (CCL) championships. His brother Wes Slajchert plays for Dartmouth. College of Arts & Sciences.
Edited by rbg on 07-15-20 12:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mbaprof
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Re: 2020 Recruiting
09-09-20 01:37 PM - Post#313039
In response to rbg
Lots of people on this board are going to be excited about the juco transfer that will be announced today!
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 Recruiting
09-09-20 01:58 PM - Post#313040
In response to mbaprof
But you don't want to be the one to give us that pleasure?
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mbaprof
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09-09-20 02:02 PM - Post#313042
In response to palestra38
Im technically under non disclosure but
https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20/201 8/player...
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palestra38
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09-09-20 02:13 PM - Post#313048
In response to mbaprof
That o-fer from 3 worries me some. Is he a legit player?
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Stuart Suss
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09-09-20 02:24 PM - Post#313053
In response to palestra38
From Kankakee CC in Kankakee, IL (approx. 60 miles south of Chicago).
Was a 58% foul shooter as a freshman.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Michael-Moshk...
He should fit right in perfectly.
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palestra38
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09-09-20 02:31 PM - Post#313055
In response to Stuart Suss
I miss your curmudgeony comments, Stu
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mbaprof
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09-09-20 02:35 PM - Post#313056
In response to Stuart Suss
Pretty good shooting percentage overall..
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penn nation
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09-09-20 02:37 PM - Post#313057
In response to mbaprof
Will there now be a Mosh pit at the Palestra?
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