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Username Post: College Sports Madness Top 144        (Topic#20392)
Bison89 
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07-18-17 05:35 PM - Post#231012    

It is hard to believe, but CSM is already counting down the Top 144:

144. Georgia
143. Norfolk State
142. Illinois State
141. Texas Southern
140. Jacksonville State
139. Georgia State
138. Mt. St. Mary's
137. Samford
136. Washington
135. Lamar
134. Northern Iowa
133. Hofstra
132. Fort Wayne
131. Utah Valley
130. Troy
129. Old Dominion
128. UC Davis
127. South Dakota State
126. Manhattan
125. La Salle
124. Idaho
123. Kent State
122. Illinois
121. San Francisco
120. Missouri State
119. Memphis
118. Albany
117. Boise State
116. New Mexico State
115. Elon
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

Where will the Bison rank? Personally, I am predicting 82 even though I think that they should really be around 55-65.
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07-18-17 06:06 PM - Post#231016    
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I think they have Mt. St. Mary's way too high. MSM ranked 209th this past season (Pomeroy), and they had three starters, including their best player, transfer out. They may still win the NEC but I don't see them being better than 200 nationally.




 
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07-18-17 08:22 PM - Post#231021    
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LaSalle seems low. Like to see them higher in Sojka


 
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College Sports Madness Top 144
07-19-17 07:26 AM - Post#231026    
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From a John Griffin tweet:

https://alwaysmarch.wordpress.com/2017/07/07/100-t...

So someone has us top 100. This site does their list alphabetically.
Ray Bucknell!


Edited by atlantabison on 07-19-17 07:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Lasalle is too low. There's a strong athletic nucleus there to build on.

 
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144
07-19-17 01:53 PM - Post#231058    
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  • atlantabison Said:
From a John Griffin tweet:

https://alwaysmarch.wordpress.com/2017/07/07/100-t...

So someone has us top 100. This site does their list alphabetically.



I like the sound of this:
"If it looked like Bucknell dominated the Patriot League last year, just wait for this season. The Bison are the overwhelming favorites to win the league. No team has ran the table in the Patriot League since the Bison did it back in 2006, but that was just a 14 game schedule. It will be extremely tough, but they definitely have the potential to do that this season. You may not hear much about these guys during the regular season, but they’ll be a dangerous, bracket-busting team come next March."
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07-19-17 04:18 PM - Post#231075    
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That certainly sounds nice - but I think a bit optimistic. The PL is stronger now than it was in 2006. It will be tough to beat Boston U and Navy on the road, and the middle tier teams won't be gimmes either. Even the 2013 team with Muscala etal lost two league games- and that was with CJ out with an injury.




 
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07-19-17 05:40 PM - Post#231091    
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137, I agree with you, but that being said, I like the idea of another undefeated PL season.
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07-19-17 08:13 PM - Post#231096    
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  • Bison89 Said:
137, I agree with you, but that being said, I like the idea of another undefeated PL season.




I wonder how many remember that the Bison trailed Holy Cross by 15 points in the second half in the game at Worcester late in the regular season. Charles Lee scored 24 points in that game, and no other Bison had double figures.




 
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07-22-17 11:34 AM - Post#231173    
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Update:
114. Tennessee
113. UC Irvine
112. Louisiana
111. Colorado State

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07-24-17 02:40 PM - Post#231203    
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Update:
110. Yale
109. Mercer

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07-24-17 03:05 PM - Post#231205    
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71 is my guess.

 
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07-25-17 11:35 AM - Post#231242    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
71 is my guess.



Husky, IMO, 71 is probably a realistic number. As previously stated, I think that 55-65 is probably where the Bison should be ranked, but I do not think that we will see any number in that range. If the Bison are ranked anywhere better than 70, I would genuinely be surprised.
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07-28-17 12:24 PM - Post#231380    
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Update:
109. Mercer
108. George Mason
107. Fairfield
106. UNC Asheville
105. Clemson
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

Good to see Coach Paulsen has GMU heading in the right direction.
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07-28-17 01:00 PM - Post#231382    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Update:
109. Mercer
108. George Mason
107. Fairfield
106. UNC Asheville
105. Clemson
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

Good to see Coach Paulsen has GMU heading in the right direction.





GMU should definitely have a good record when they head into conference play, as they have booked a soft schedule. The average 2017 Pomeroy ranking for their opponents is 182 and there are only three road games.


VS LAFAYETTE 330
AT LOUISVILLE 9
VS BINGHAMTON 314
VS CAL-NORTHRIDGE 284
VS LOUISIANA TECH (NEUTRAL) 93
VS FRESNO STATE/EVANSVILLE (NEUTRAL) 126
AT JAMES MADISON 223
AT AUBURN 82
VS WILLIAM & MARY 133
VS NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL 161
VS GEORGIA SOUTHERN 195
VS PENN STATE 87
VS MORGAN STATE 324



VCU, for comparison, has an average Pomeroy ranking of 132, albeit with only one true road game. The Bison figure to average better than this, unless a few of the unknown opponents turn out to be weak.




 
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07-28-17 04:54 PM - Post#231391    
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I think Bucknell has a relatively large profile now for people trying to find "sleeper" small schools. Last year's effort against WVU and returning the core team give legitimacy to lofty predictions.

The OOC excites me and I'm glad we've been able to schedule these higher profile schools. We will obviously lose a few but winning a couple benefit our resume.

 
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07-28-17 06:00 PM - Post#231395    
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If you want to see an embarrassing schedule, take a look at Duquesne:

- 11 of the 13 OOC games at home, with two in Las Vegas vs middle-of-the road teams.
- Average Pomeroy rank of 265.
- No teams that made the NCAA tournament last year.
- No team with a realistic shot to make the tournament this year.
- San Francisco is the only team with any chance of being top 100.
- Only one P6 conference team, and it may be the worst one in the nation (Pitt).


I realize that they have a new coach and are in full rebuilding mode - but their schedule is awful.




 
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07-31-17 09:22 AM - Post#231415    
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Update:
104. Grand Canyon (I had NEVER heard of this school.)
103. UNLV
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More about Grand Canyon U: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon_Uni vers...
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07-31-17 10:22 AM - Post#231417    
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Grand Canyon might be the only for-profit school with a D1 sports program. Their coach is Dan Majerle, who played in the NBA for about 15 years, mostly with Phoenix and Miami, and was a borderline all-star.




 
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07-31-17 11:14 AM - Post#231421    
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Their notable alumni list may need some re-prioritization. Alphabetically, it starts with

Anthony Birchak, professional mixed martial artist (did not graduate)
Chad Curtis, professional baseball player convicted of sexual assault
Efrain Escudero, wrestler; professional mixed martial artist

and ends with

Kevin Warren, COO of the Minnesota Vikings

I think I would organize that list differently if I were editing that page.

 
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07-31-17 11:30 AM - Post#231423    
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  • pjm_hoops Said:
Their notable alumni list may need some re-prioritization. Alphabetically, it starts with

Anthony Birchak, professional mixed martial artist (did not graduate)
Chad Curtis, professional baseball player convicted of sexual assault
Efrain Escudero, wrestler; professional mixed martial artist



What, no career criminals or ISIS members?
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07-31-17 02:39 PM - Post#231429    
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I found this link on the HC board. It looks like the students at Grand Canyon are having fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb1jJl9RvmQ&a mp;fe...
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08-02-17 01:11 PM - Post#231501    
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Update:
102. Utah
101. Buffalo
100. Loyola Chicago
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That is a big drop for Utah who finished #47 in Kenpom last year. The good news is that the Bison should be in the top 100.
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08-02-17 04:15 PM - Post#231514    
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Will be, not should


 
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08-02-17 05:58 PM - Post#231521    
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54, I was going to say "will", but caution got the best of me.
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08-03-17 01:10 PM - Post#231569    
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Wouldn't want to be accused of "Bison Stu tendencies".
Ray Bucknell!


 
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08-03-17 08:27 PM - Post#231610    
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  • atlantabison Said:
Wouldn't want to be accused of "Bison Stu tendencies".

Little risk of that, if all you're predicting is where some dude at CollegeSportsMadness places the Bison in an August ranking. He may be less qualified to do that than some of the people here.

 
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08-03-17 09:07 PM - Post#231612    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • atlantabison Said:
Wouldn't want to be accused of "Bison Stu tendencies".

Little risk of that, if all you're predicting is where some dude at CollegeSportsMadness places the Bison in an August ranking. He may be less qualified to do that than some of the people here.




Based on some of the past work of that particular writer, I am sure some of the people here are more qualified. Having said that, if it were Bison Stu doing the top 144, the only question would be whether Bucknell was #1 or a lower spot in the top five.





 
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Update:
99. Nebraska
98. Furman
97. Tulsa
96. Iona
95. Belmont
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

I did not know where Furman and Belmont are located. I do now. Do you?
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My friend went to Furman. Greenville, South Carolina. Excellent school part of a group called "the southern Ivy's"

 
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08-08-17 06:48 PM - Post#231702    
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Belmont is in Tennessee... I believe Nashville.

 
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08-08-17 07:28 PM - Post#231703    
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Husky and 63 are both correct. Winner winner chicken dinner.

Sorry but no prize.
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08-08-17 09:02 PM - Post#231704    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
My friend went to Furman. Greenville, South Carolina. Excellent school part of a group called "the southern Ivy's"



Frank Selvy went to Furman. If you do not know of Frank Selvy, Google him!


 
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08-09-17 12:45 AM - Post#231706    
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Place your bets: 3,000-to-1 odds on Bucknell 2017-18 national championship.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...


 
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08-09-17 05:40 AM - Post#231708    
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Frank Selvy went to Furman. If you do not know of Frank Selvy, Google him!




Frank was a big time baller!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Selvy
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Based on the betting line we're ranked #134!in the country at the open

 
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Place your bets: 3,000-to-1 odds on Bucknell 2017-18 national championship.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...


Already down to 2000-1. Someone must be betting on us.

 
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08-09-17 08:59 AM - Post#231722    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Place your bets: 3,000-to-1 odds on Bucknell 2017-18 national championship.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...


Already down to 2000-1. Someone must be betting on us.


No we opened at 2000-1 and are currently 3000-1 if the column labels are correct.
Ray Bucknell!


 
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08-13-17 04:54 PM - Post#231924    
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Now going on 88.

94 Princeton
93 Western Michigan
92 Mississippi State
91 Middle TN
90 Wyoming
89 Kansas State




 
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Now going on 88.

94 Princeton
93 Western Michigan
92 Mississippi State
91 Middle TN
90 Wyoming
89 Kansas State




137, so what is your guess on where the Bison will be ranked?
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08-18-17 04:12 PM - Post#232214    
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Update:
88. Northern Kentucky
87. St. John's
86. South Carolina
85. Harvard
84. Davidson

Getting close to the 70s where I think that Bucknell will be ranked, but I would be really happy to see a number in the mid 60s.
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It'll be fun too seeing how last year's freshmen compete for minutes. Avi may be a four year starter if he's not careful. I think Bruce Moore has the biggest upside of anyone on the roster.

Edited by HuskyColonial on 08-19-17 11:53 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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I was thinking that if Paul Newman is a decent center, he and Moore could end up dominating the boards in PL games. BTW, I think that Bucknell is stacked with talent up and down the bench.
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Including at the coaching position. ND's w/l record is nothing to sneeze at. Should have looked it up before posting this, but I am sure someone here will fill in the details. His % is crazy.

 
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  • bison63 Said:
Including at the coaching position. ND's w/l record is nothing to sneeze at. Should have looked it up before posting this, but I am sure someone here will fill in the details. His % is crazy.


At Randolph-Macon, 141-39 (.783) over six seasons.

In two seasons at Bucknell, 43-23 overall (.652) and 29-7 in the Patriot League (.806).

 
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08-20-17 06:52 AM - Post#232242    
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Nana could be a back to back MVP too if he stays on the floor a bit more.

 
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08-20-17 10:11 AM - Post#232243    
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  • Bison89 Said:
I was thinking that if Paul Newman is a decent center, he and Moore could end up dominating the boards in PL games. BTW, I think that Bucknell is stacked with talent up and down the bench.



Moore was often aggressive on the offensive glass, but rarely did a lot of defensive rebounding last year. he certainly has the physical tools to do more, and in fact in the Navy game that Nana had to sit out he did in fact really step it up. i hope to see more rebounding out of him this year.

Sestina actually has some of the best rebounding rates on the team and i think his ability to consistently back up Nana in the post is critical this year. i hope i am being too cautious, but i think Newman needs time to develop. if he can get a few minutes a game, similar to Robertson last year, that is all i expect this year.

 
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08-21-17 05:46 AM - Post#232247    
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What of Robertson? Can he work his way into the rotation?

 
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08-21-17 10:40 AM - Post#232249    
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Update:
83. Penn State
82. Louisiana Tach
81. UT Arlington

Nice to see Penn State so high. I wish that they would have had the guts to play Bucknell this year.

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08-24-17 04:00 PM - Post#232373    
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Update:
80. Florida State
79. Colorado
78. Oakland

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

I was just thinking about what rankings mean to me. IMO, teams ranked 51-100 are good and have the potential to beat just about any other team on any given night but will also lose some games. Teams ranked 21-50 are very good and should win almost all of their game. Teams ranked 1-20 have a chance to win it all at the end of the year.

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08-29-17 09:14 PM - Post#232482    
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They are unveiling a bracketology as they reveal the Top 144. Today's team was FGCU, and they claimed the last 13 seed left in the field as a projected automatic qualifier. Thus, we can infer they have Bucknell at a 12 or better seed in their preseason bracket.

 
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  • Bison89 Said:
Update:
80. Florida State
79. Colorado
78. Oakland






77 Oregon State
76 Ohio State
75 BYU
74 Houston
73 Florida Gulf Coast




 
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08-30-17 09:30 AM - Post#232487    
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72. St. Joseph's


 
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08-30-17 10:58 AM - Post#232493    
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  • res Said:
72. St. Joseph's



I had no idea that St. Joe's is expected to be that good this year. The Bucknell schedule is looking more and more difficult.
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08-30-17 11:44 AM - Post#232497    
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Not sure how good St. Joes will be - but they will definitely be a lot better than last year. In December of last year, they lost their star PG, Shavar Newkirk, to a torn ACL. At the time, he was averaging well over 20 ppg and over 35 mpg. They went 4-15 the rest of the season. He is back this year, and so is virtually their entire team.




 
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08-30-17 06:17 PM - Post#232506    
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a .500 OOC record is unlikely.

 
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Even 6-7 would be attractive - no gimmes and a lot on the road. W at Monmouth extraordinarily important so that it doesn't get ugly early...pieces are there but schedule is still very aspirational. One game at a time.


 
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08-31-17 10:12 AM - Post#232519    
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71. Fresno State

Call me optimistic, but I see this Bucknell team surprising alot of ppl & coming out of OOC with more wins.

 
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  • BisonFan4 Said:
Call me optimistic, but I see this Bucknell team surprising alot of ppl & coming out of OOC with more wins.



BisonFan4, I agree with you. I am usually more conservative when it comes to predicting number of OOC wins, but having chugged at least a gallon of orange and blue kool-aide, I am going to go out on the limb and say that this team will be at least 7-6. If they are 8-5 or better, I will ecstatic!
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08-31-17 12:25 PM - Post#232522    
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I agree, possibly even better after they knock off the defending champions Nov 15th! This coming from a lifelong Tarheel fan, my first trip to see a game in Chapel Hill and I'll be sporting orange & blue lol. This is a truly special team & going to be a lot of fun to watch this year!

 
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08-31-17 12:59 PM - Post#232523    
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I'm an eternal optimist, but optimism is warranted for this team. 7-6 or 8-5 is not only possible, but quite probable.

 
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08-31-17 02:34 PM - Post#232528    
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I'm excited as hell! I'm serious. A .500 OOC considering the number of games on the road would be OUTSTANDING. No sour grapes starting PL play with an RPI under 40. Seriously.

 
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09-01-17 09:15 AM - Post#232540    
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And, we're #70...

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/15076

 
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09-01-17 09:17 AM - Post#232542    
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And projected as an always dangerous 12 seed...

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketbal...

 
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09-01-17 11:32 AM - Post#232549    
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  • BUFan Said:


#70 is very solid. If the Bison were ranked in the 50s or low 60s, BCS teams might take them more seriously. I am very happy with #70.

GO BISON!
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09-01-17 04:21 PM - Post#232560    
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6 months till March Madness!!

 
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09-05-17 08:27 AM - Post#232625    
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We might as well see the rest of the list:

69. Syracuse
68. Oklahoma State
67. Temple

BTW, it has been a while since we played Temple. That would be a solid team to schedule for 2019-2020.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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09-07-17 10:01 AM - Post#232696    
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Two of this season's opponents and one from last year

66. Vanderbilt
65. VCU
64. Vermont;



 
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09-07-17 10:37 AM - Post#232699    
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  • Bison89 Said:

BTW, it has been a while since we played Temple. That would be a solid team to schedule for 2019-2020.




why 2019-2020 specifically?

edit: or is that a couple of seasons as opposed to a specific season?

Edited by KenZ on 09-07-17 10:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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09-07-17 10:47 AM - Post#232700    
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The Bison, of course, played Temple in 2015 in the NIT. But that was not a scheduled game, and Temple had no choice.

The last time the two played a regularly scheduled game was - incredibly - in 1982. Through that date, the two teams had played 34 times - but no scheduled games since then.




 
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09-07-17 11:08 AM - Post#232702    
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Speaking of teams in Philly, the one I'd really like to have a series with is Penn. The Bison haven't played them since the 2003-04 season. That year BU started by losing 11 straight games to D1 opponents, including the close loss at #3 Michigan State where the Bison went 1-17 on FT's. After that horrible start, they won 10 of their next 11 games.




 
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09-07-17 12:16 PM - Post#232705    
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  • KenZ Said:
  • Bison89 Said:

BTW, it has been a while since we played Temple. That would be a solid team to schedule for 2019-2020.




why 2019-2020 specifically?

edit: or is that a couple of seasons as opposed to a specific season?



I should have said in 2018, 2019 or 2020.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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09-07-17 02:18 PM - Post#232709    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Speaking of teams in Philly, the one I'd really like to have a series with is Penn. The Bison haven't played them since the 2003-04 season.

We played Penn at the Palestra in the 2004-05 season. It was the first Bucknell game I'd seen since Bucknell-Syracuse in the 1989 NCAA tournament my senior year, and launched my era of hoops travel.

We lost, having dug an enormous hole early on. We did, however, rally to make it close.

As I crossed paths with the team boarding the bus on that frosty December night in Philadelphia, I said, "Keep your heads up, Bison. We have a GREAT season ahead of us."

 
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09-07-17 03:33 PM - Post#232711    
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fwiw: on the topic of games with Philly teams, my general understanding / impression has been:

Villanova is generally willing to host us every few years in a guarantee game

LaSalle obvioussly has been willing to schedule series with us including games at Sojka

St. Joes wasn't interested in talking to us after we took 2 of 3 a decade ago. time heals all wounds? we are playing them again

Penn not interested in coming to Lewisburg and we aren't going to go there without a return game.

Temple not interested in coming to Lewisburg. don't know if we would play there for a guarantee, but i have the impression that is not likely to happen.

Drexel would sign up for a home and home pretty much anytime we wanted provided the scheduling could be worked out.

 
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09-07-17 03:40 PM - Post#232712    
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Yes, I had forgotten all about that one. The next game after that loss was the miraculous OT win at Yale. That was followed by 10 more wins, with the streak only ending after Flannery had to take a medical leave. Two of the wins in that streak, of course, were at St. Joes - one year removed from an undefeated regular season - and at #7 Pitt.




 
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09-07-17 04:26 PM - Post#232714    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Yes, I had forgotten all about that one. The next game after that loss was the miraculous OT win at Yale. That was followed by 10 more wins, with the streak only ending after Flannery had to take a medical leave. Two of the wins in that streak, of course, were at St. Joes - one year removed from an undefeated regular season - and at #7 Pitt.



Not be overlooked in the streak was a 2-point home win over Niagara right before the Christmas break. Niagara had just beat down St. Bonaventure by 30 and would go on to win 20 games and the MAAC championship that year. Don't know if the Bison ever had a better 4-game regular season stretch than Niagara, St. Joe's, Pitt and Holy Cross to end 2004 and begin 2005.

 
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09-07-17 05:52 PM - Post#232717    
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  • DoCtoR62 Said:
Don't know if the Bison ever had a better 4-game regular season stretch than Niagara, St. Joe's, Pitt and Holy Cross to end 2004 and begin 2005.




Interesting observation. To your point, those four ended up the year ranked 106, 49, 24, and 65 (Pomeroy). Average ranking of 61st. Pitt was ranked a lot higher when the Bison beat them, but they dropped a bit with three losses near the end of the season - and then dropped some more when they were upset by Pacific in the NCAA.

The Bison may have also had their toughest three-game stretch at the end of that season, beating HC (65), Kansas (11), and losing to Wisconsin (17). Average of 31. Like Pitt, Kansas dropped significantly at the end of the year.

One more discussion point could be the toughest three opponents in a regular-season four game stretch. That might be last year when BU played Wake (36), RMU (266), Butler (25), and Vandy (33) in four consecutive games. Average of 31 for the top three.

All of the above marks could be in jeopardy in about two months when the Bison open with Monmouth (81), Arkansas (35), UNC (3), and Maryland (46). Average of 41, per Pomeroy rankings from 2016-17. Average of 28 for the three in a row.




 
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09-07-17 10:37 PM - Post#232720    
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  • Bison137 Said:
  • DoCtoR62 Said:
Don't know if the Bison ever had a better 4-game regular season stretch than Niagara, St. Joe's, Pitt and Holy Cross to end 2004 and begin 2005.




Interesting observation. To your point, those four ended up the year ranked 106, 49, 24, and 65 (Pomeroy). Average ranking of 61st. Pitt was ranked a lot higher when the Bison beat them, but they dropped a bit with three losses near the end of the season - and then dropped some more when they were upset by Pacific in the NCAA.

The Bison may have also had their toughest three-game stretch at the end of that season, beating HC (65), Kansas (11), and losing to Wisconsin (17). Average of 31. Like Pitt, Kansas dropped significantly at the end of the year.

One more discussion point could be the toughest three opponents in a regular-season four game stretch. That might be last year when BU played Wake (36), RMU (266), Butler (25), and Vandy (33) in four consecutive games. Average of 31 for the top three.

All of the above marks could be in jeopardy in about two months when the Bison open with Monmouth (81), Arkansas (35), UNC (3), and Maryland (46). Average of 41, per Pomeroy rankings from 2016-17. Average of 28 for the three in a row.




This is the sort of research and insight that keeps me coming back (multiple times) daily during the deep, dark off-season.




 
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09-07-17 11:06 PM - Post#232721    
    In response to Raymond Bucknell

I was thinking that too, Raymond.


 
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09-08-17 05:49 AM - Post#232723    
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137, you should work for ESPNU!
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09-12-17 05:54 AM - Post#232786    
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Update:
63. Iowa State
62. Wisconsin
61. Western Kentucky
60. NC State

BTW, I went to the Bucknell vs. NC State game 2-3 years ago. The NC State fans were very nice. The guys sitting next to me were surprised to hear that student athletes can go to college to get a good education in addition to playing basketball. They kept saying something like, 'Why aren't y'all's players at bigger schools? They can really play.'

New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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09-12-17 10:05 AM - Post#232791    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Update:
The NC State fans were very nice. The guys sitting next to me were surprised to hear that student athletes can go to college to get a good education in addition to playing basketball. They kept saying something like, 'Why aren't y'all's players at bigger schools? They can really play.'





I used to work with the chief counsel of a major US utility who later served as its chairman and CEO. He grew up in LA and had several D1 offers, a couple of them from major programs, IIRC. He ultimately elected to attend and play for Yale.

His boyhood friends were extremely disappointed in his choice as they were sure he could have "made something of himself" had he gone the major college route.

As an aside, his son graduated from Bucknell a few years ago.


 
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09-15-17 04:21 PM - Post#232872    
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Update:
59. Auburn
58. Saint Louis
57. UConn
56. San Diego State
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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09-19-17 11:38 AM - Post#232970    
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Update:
55. Indiana
54. Georgia Tech
53. Dayton
52. Arizona State

As I was looking at this list, I was thinking that it might be fun to rank the conferences. Without putting a lot of thought into it, I would rank them:
1. ACC
2. Big East
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5. SEC
6. Pac 12
7. A-10
8. AAC
9. WCC
10. MVC

I think that there could be an argument for moving WCC higher, but really, once you get past Gonzaga and St. Mary's, there is a big drop off to BYU, San Franciso, and Santa Clara.


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10-02-17 08:46 AM - Post#233411    
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Update:
51. Wake Forest
50. Nevada
49. Marquette
48. Central Florida
47. Stanford
46. Charleston
45. Ole Miss
44. Iowa
43. St. Bonaventure's
42. Texas Tech
41. Arkansas
40. SMU

Good to see Wake Forest at #51.

Interesting to see Charleston and St. Bonnies ranked so high. Personally, I know nothing about their teams.

With Arkansas ranked #41, it would look VERY good for the Bison to win one in Fayetteville. Also, it would help the Bison's RPI.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-08-17 11:54 AM - Post#233582    
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Update:
39. Maryland
38. Creighton
37. Oregon
36. Michigan
35. Baylor
34. Virginia
33. Missouri

The Maryland game should be lots of fun.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-13-17 02:23 PM - Post#233931    
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Update:
32. Missouri
31. Rhode Island
30. UCLA
29. Providence
28. Virginia

There should be some good ball played in New England this season.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-16-17 12:36 PM - Post#234046    
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Update:
27. Oklahoma
26. Butler
25. Texas A&M
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-16-17 05:46 PM - Post#234055    
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List of 10 teams that could be March Cinderellas excludes Bucknell---which is just how I like it.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...

 
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10-17-17 01:09 PM - Post#234091    
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Cinderella cannot be a team "expected" to be a cinderella.
Ray Bucknell!


 
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10-17-17 01:45 PM - Post#234094    
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  • atlantabison Said:
Cinderella cannot be a team "expected" to be a cinderella.



AB, that is well said, but numerically speaking, if they are a #9-#16 seed and they win a game, it is an upset. So, they would have to be considered a Cinderella, right?

Then again, when Bucknell beat Arkansas, I don't think that anybody, outside of Arkansas, was surprised. So, nobody thought of them as a Cinderella. If the Bison had beaten Memphis, then, the slipper might have fit.
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10-17-17 07:34 PM - Post#234110    
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  • atlantabison Said:
Cinderella cannot be a team "expected" to be a cinderella.



Posted this on the wrong thread last night.

I'm hoping by March Bucknell will not look (or act) like a Cinderella.

 
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10-17-17 10:08 PM - Post#234116    
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I hope our expectations are not too high. I think we all would enjoy a season so rich that we would earn an at-large bid if needed.

 
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10-23-17 10:16 AM - Post#234372    
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Update:
24. Notre Dame
23. Northwestern
22. Xavier
21. TCU
20. Purdue
19. St. Mary's
18. Cincinnati

Other than Gonzaga (which really is not a mid-major), is St. Mary's the best mid-major?
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-30-17 03:23 PM - Post#235054    
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Update:
17. Alabama
16. North Carolina
15. Miami (FL)
14. Gonzaga
13. Minnesota
12. Seton Hall
11. Florida
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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10-30-17 04:47 PM - Post#235064    
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Alabama....that's interesting. I cannot remember the last time they were good at college basketball.

Didn't Bucknell beat them unexpectedly in the 90's? I can't remember the circumstances.

 
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11-02-17 12:47 PM - Post#235335    
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Update:
10. West Virginia
9. Kentucky
8. Louisville (Shoes for $$$? No big deal . . .)



New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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11-09-17 05:52 PM - Post#235770    
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Final update:
7. USC
6. Villanova
5. Wichita State
4. Kansas
3. Duke
2. Michigan State
1. Arizona

Interesting to see Wichita State running with the big dogs.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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