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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2017-18        (Topic#20396)
Bison137 
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02-18-18 10:10 AM - Post#248459    
    In response to BUFan

  • BUFan Said:


To be fair, 95% of HC fans get this and unfortunately, they have to deal with the constant crazy logic coming from a small minority.





True. The responses to him last night were mostly to call him "delusional".




 
Bison54 
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02-18-18 06:45 PM - Post#248537    
    In response to BUFan

Or they simply ignore it, and let others judge the delusions of the few


 
DoCtoR62 
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02-19-18 10:31 AM - Post#248574    
    In response to Bison54

The fact is Holy Cross is pulling the PL down. If they would have performed up to the level of the flagship program they were supposed to be, the league would have a higher profile.

It was HC who threatened to leave in the mid 2000's which would have been the end of the PL. That is when the league gave in to HC & voted to allow basketball scholarships. Of course, HC was the first to award which propelled them to a multi-year run as a league power.

However, all HC has to show for any of this over the last 15 years is an NIT upset of Notre Dame and a "cute little run as a 10-seed" to a PL tourney championship ... with players the HC "faithful" demeaned for most of their careers.

Meanwhile, Bucknell has several wins over ranked teams, both regular season and post-season, and ended 2006 with a national ranking. Lehigh knocked off Duke in the NCAA's, and both Bucknell and Lehigh have produced NBA players.

Where has Holy Cross been? Despite spending more $$$ than most PL programs since the mid 2000's, they have done nothing to promote the PL's stature nationally. If they would have been the equal to Bucknell and Lehigh over the last decade, it is safe to assume the PL would be at a place ... though still not up to Big East standards ... that would make most HC posters rejoice.

And, FWIW, Holy Cross was in the MAAC for 7 years before joining the PL. They had one winning season overall in those 7 years. In its last 3 years in the conference, the MAAC ranked 21st, 24th and 22nd of 33 conferences. The first 3 years after they left, the MAAC was 16th, 18th and 18th. So, you can make the point, they pulled the MAAC down as well.

Save for a several year run where they had a distinct scholarship advantage, HC is a middle of the road basketball program. Not even worth the time to read their fan board.


 
jkrun80 
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02-19-18 11:20 AM - Post#248582    
    In response to DoCtoR62

Well said. Basketball fans may forget that any athletic conference is about many sports. While basketball may be the marquee sport for some, the success of the conference should be judged by the success in every sport. Prior to the last 2-3 years, HC had the worst overall athletic program in the PL. They have improved under the new AD, but still have not demonstrated the ability to win consistently in any sport other than baseball. HC has done nothing to elevate the status of the PL in any sport, let alone basketball.

 
Bison54 
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Around the Patriot League 2017-18
02-19-18 01:56 PM - Post#248613    
    In response to jkrun80

How can you forget Gordie Lockbaum?
http://www.espn.com/college-football/stor y/_/id/13...


 
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