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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2017-18        (Topic#20396)
Bison137 
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02-18-18 11:10 AM - Post#248459    
    In response to BUFan

  • BUFan Said:


To be fair, 95% of HC fans get this and unfortunately, they have to deal with the constant crazy logic coming from a small minority.





True. The responses to him last night were mostly to call him "delusional".




 
Bison54 
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02-18-18 07:45 PM - Post#248537    
    In response to BUFan

Or they simply ignore it, and let others judge the delusions of the few


 
DoCtoR62 
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02-19-18 11:31 AM - Post#248574    
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The fact is Holy Cross is pulling the PL down. If they would have performed up to the level of the flagship program they were supposed to be, the league would have a higher profile.

It was HC who threatened to leave in the mid 2000's which would have been the end of the PL. That is when the league gave in to HC & voted to allow basketball scholarships. Of course, HC was the first to award which propelled them to a multi-year run as a league power.

However, all HC has to show for any of this over the last 15 years is an NIT upset of Notre Dame and a "cute little run as a 10-seed" to a PL tourney championship ... with players the HC "faithful" demeaned for most of their careers.

Meanwhile, Bucknell has several wins over ranked teams, both regular season and post-season, and ended 2006 with a national ranking. Lehigh knocked off Duke in the NCAA's, and both Bucknell and Lehigh have produced NBA players.

Where has Holy Cross been? Despite spending more $$$ than most PL programs since the mid 2000's, they have done nothing to promote the PL's stature nationally. If they would have been the equal to Bucknell and Lehigh over the last decade, it is safe to assume the PL would be at a place ... though still not up to Big East standards ... that would make most HC posters rejoice.

And, FWIW, Holy Cross was in the MAAC for 7 years before joining the PL. They had one winning season overall in those 7 years. In its last 3 years in the conference, the MAAC ranked 21st, 24th and 22nd of 33 conferences. The first 3 years after they left, the MAAC was 16th, 18th and 18th. So, you can make the point, they pulled the MAAC down as well.

Save for a several year run where they had a distinct scholarship advantage, HC is a middle of the road basketball program. Not even worth the time to read their fan board.


 
jkrun80 
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02-19-18 12:20 PM - Post#248582    
    In response to DoCtoR62

Well said. Basketball fans may forget that any athletic conference is about many sports. While basketball may be the marquee sport for some, the success of the conference should be judged by the success in every sport. Prior to the last 2-3 years, HC had the worst overall athletic program in the PL. They have improved under the new AD, but still have not demonstrated the ability to win consistently in any sport other than baseball. HC has done nothing to elevate the status of the PL in any sport, let alone basketball.

 
Bison54 
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Around the Patriot League 2017-18
02-19-18 02:56 PM - Post#248613    
    In response to jkrun80

How can you forget Gordie Lockbaum?
http://www.espn.com/college-football/stor y/_/id/13...


 
Bison89 
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02-26-18 02:46 PM - Post#249611    
    In response to Bison54

Zack Thomas received another Player of the Week award. He tied Tim Kempton's record for 7 in a season:

http://patriotleague.org/news/2018/2/26/patrio t-le...

Also, congratulations to Zack (651 points and counting) for breaking the Bucknell all time single season scoring record that was previously held by Mike Muscala (637 points).
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
MrPhillie 
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02-27-18 11:07 PM - Post#249786    
    In response to Bison89

Lehigh isn’t all bad
https://twitter.com/pennlive/status/96868 036052666...

 
bison63 
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02-28-18 08:25 AM - Post#249803    
    In response to MrPhillie

Please do not go down that road on this board.

 
Bison89 
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02-28-18 10:17 AM - Post#249818    
    In response to bison63

I agree. Let's try to stick to basketball and other NCAA sports when possible.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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03-08-18 02:19 PM - Post#251393    
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G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein

 
jkrun80 
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03-08-18 02:35 PM - Post#251397    
    In response to Bucknellbisonfan21

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


He seems like a good guy and a decent coach, but they consistently under performed year after year. It was only a matter of time. Have to wonder if the clock is running out for Brennan as well. All the player turnover and poor W-L record has to be wearing thin.

 
HoleinOne 
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03-08-18 02:49 PM - Post#251401    
    In response to jkrun80

Wonder if any school will take a look at Dr. Reed from Leigh this year. Not sure he can accomplish much more than he has.

 
atlantabison 
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03-08-18 03:04 PM - Post#251406    
    In response to Bucknellbisonfan21

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


Actually Rothstein's tweet was about gigi smith, I wonder if that is his sister??
Ray Bucknell!


 
Bison137 
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03-08-18 03:26 PM - Post#251419    
    In response to HoleinOne

  • HoleinOne Said:
Wonder if any school will take a look at Dr. Reed from Leigh this year. Not sure he can accomplish much more than he has.





If a school is looking for an expert in getting more from less, then he is their man. Great recruiter but very mediocre coach.

Lehigh may be the preseason favorite next year, so that may be his best chance to get out. They underachieved last year and they underachieved this year, so I doubt that will have schools beating down his door.




 
Bison137 
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03-08-18 03:29 PM - Post#251421    
    In response to jkrun80

  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


He seems like a good guy and a decent coach, but they consistently under performed year after year. It was only a matter of time. Have to wonder if the clock is running out for Brennan as well. All the player turnover and poor W-L record has to be wearing thin.




Brennan has two more years left on his contract, and I doubt American wants to eat that much money. They could be a first division team next year if Gasperini comes back healthy, which would save his job. Otoh, if they have any more high-profile transfers, that may force AU's hand.




 
A Western Bison 
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03-08-18 03:43 PM - Post#251426    
    In response to Bison137

The men's conference RPI ranking was 28th, while the women were 15th the last time I checked. Turnover might be in order.

 
BUFan 
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03-18-18 07:22 PM - Post#253728    
    In response to Bison89

Not looking to start a political debate, but figured this is worth a share here as an FYI.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180315/holy-cr oss-t...

 
Bison137 
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03-18-18 08:10 PM - Post#253736    
    In response to BUFan

  • BUFan Said:
Not looking to start a political debate, but figured this is worth a share here as an FYI.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180315/holy-cr oss-t...




This move was met with great disapproval by many HC alums. At least they didn't end up with the nickname of River Hawks, as the Susquehanna Crusaders are now called.




 
HoleinOne 
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03-18-18 08:39 PM - Post#253740    
    In response to Bison137

With all respect to a strong academic school, seems like a fight they didn't need. Alum feedback that they need to move to a different sports league and now this?

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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03-19-18 10:21 AM - Post#253778    
    In response to HoleinOne

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article66737...

 
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