Bison137
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09-27-17 10:45 PM - Post#233286
Here are the picks from three magazines/yearbooks that came out recently:
1. BLUE RIBBON YEARBOOK: (HoopTime)
1 Bucknell
2 Colgate
3 Lehigh
4 Navy
5 Boston
6 Army
7 Loyola
8 Holy Cross
9 American
10 Lafayette
All PL: Foulland (POY), Thomas, S. Brown, K. Ross, A. Walker
FOY: Walter Whyte (Boston)
2. ATHLON:
1 Bucknell
2 Boston
3 Navy
4 Lehigh
5 Colgate
6 Loyola
7 Holy Cross
8 Army
9 Lafayette
10 American
All PL: Foulland, Thomas, K. Ross, A. Walker, S. Anderson
All PL (2nd team): S. Brown, Klinewski, Hankerson, S. Nelson, W. Rayman (Colgate)
3. LINDY's:
1 Bucknell
2 Boston
3 Navy
4 Lehigh
5 Loyola
6 Colgate
7 Army
8 Holy Cross
9 Lafayette
10 American
All PL: Foulland (POY), Thomas, K. Ross, A. Walker, S. Anderson
All PL (2nd team): S. Brown, Klinewski, Hankerson, S. Nelson, S. O'Brien (Colgate)
FOY: Sam Iorio (AU)
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Bison137
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09-27-17 11:02 PM - Post#233287
In response to Bison137
Looking at the above, here are the average rankings thus far:
1 Bucknell 3
2 Boston 9
3 Navy 10
4 Lehigh 11
5 Colgate 13
6 Loyola 18
7 Army 21
8 Holy Cross 23
9 Lafayette 27
10 American29
At the moment, I would pick them in the same order as the above, although I think HC could move up a bit if they get good play out of three freshmen.
The one somewhat strange pick is HoopTime slotting Colgate in at #2. In his defense, they do return all their starters, albeit from an underachieving second division team. Iirc, I think he picked them for a good finish last year as well. In 2015, he picked Bucknell for 5th (finished 1st) and Holy Cross for 1st (finished 7th). One disappointing thing in his write-up this year was a number of factual errors, such as saying the Bison return their top eight rebounders and confusing Bradley with Butler when discussing a Colgate transfer. Also incorrectly said LU's Jack Lieb missed his entire senior year of HS due to injury.
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09-28-17 06:44 AM - Post#233291
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137, I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning. What are the numbers to the right of each school?
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09-28-17 08:33 AM - Post#233295
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Sum of the ranks from the three lists
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09-28-17 03:19 PM - Post#233325
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I think they're giving Lehigh too much credit. Remember they were 3rd last year and lose a lot of scoring. I'd pick them 6th or 7th. Also think Lafayette with be better than 9th, but maybe not much better. Otherwise, the aggregate rankings seem pretty close, definitely for the top 3.
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09-28-17 03:54 PM - Post#233326
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And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team).
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09-28-17 04:07 PM - Post#233328
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And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team).
What is the highest number of Bison 1st Teamers that there have been?
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09-28-17 04:12 PM - Post#233329
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Lehigh tied for 2nd last year and reached the championship game. That team underachieved and has graduated a fair amount of talent, as you say. But they also have added a fair amount:
- Guard Lance Tejada, a transfer from East Carolina who was highly recruited in HS (offers from Alabama, Miami, Florida State, Virginia, and a number of others). He did not play well at ECU, but potentially could be a strong PL player.
- JUCO transfer Ed Porter, a 6-7 PF who was also highly recruited in HS before schools backed off when he missed a year with a shoulder injury. Not that it means much, but he has a 3 star ESPN ranking.
- Caleb Bennett, a 6-5 wing who had offers from Northern Iowa, Buffalo, UTEP, ORU, and a number of others.
- Marques Wilson, a 6-4 wing who had offers from Iowa State, Bucknell, Evansville, Western IL, and others. (I suspect the Iowa State offer had been pulled for a long time prior to his commitment however.)
- James Karnik, a 6-9 center from Canada who picked up late offers from Canisius, Jacksonville, Northern Arizona, and a couple other mediocre programs.
Additionally they may get back two big men who have had to sit out since they got to LU due to various injuries:
- Caleb Sedore, a 6-11 center who had a Bison offer a couple of years ago. He has missed two years with two different ACL tears and is future is questionable.
- Jack Lieb, a 6-10 center who missed his freshman year and apparently is out again with related medical issues. Had offers from Loyola (IL), IL State, Siena, Niagara, Boston U, Lafayette, App. State, and a few others.
Adding the above to returnees: All-PL PG Kahron Ross, who had already made All-PL three times; All-PL candidate Kyle Leufroy; and two very good sophs (Pat Andree and Jordan Cohen) gives LU a lot of talent - the second most in the league imo IF they are healthy. But then add in the Brett Reed factor - which is why I drop them to 4th. That intangible was a factor last year as well, so things are equivalent between 2017 and 2018 on the coaching front.
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09-28-17 04:23 PM - Post#233330
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And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team).
Definitely possible. At this stage, there are nine others who seem likely to make one of the top two teams - Foulland, Thomas, K.Ross, A. Walker, Klinewski, Hankerson (if fully healthy), S. Anderson, and S. Nelson - so that leaves another spot. Some others in the mix for one of the teams might include:
- Rayman or O'Brien (Colgate) if CU has a decent year.
- Karl Charles (HC)
- Leufroy (LU)
- Cam Gregory (Loyola)
- Jordan Fox (Army)
- Someone from Boston U, if they finish 2nd or higher
None of the above jumps off the page as someone likely to be higher than 3rd team, however, but a good season can change things.
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Bison54
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09-28-17 06:29 PM - Post#233333
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Steven Brown?
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09-28-17 07:28 PM - Post#233334
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Steven Brown?
Barring injury, he'll be 1st or 2nd team for sure.
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09-28-17 07:30 PM - Post#233335
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Steven Brown?
Yes, just missed him on the list. I said there were nine likely to make 1st or 2nd team but only listed eight. Should have said:
" At this stage, there are nine others who seem likely to make one of the top two teams - Foulland, Thomas, Brown, K.Ross, A. Walker, Klinewski, Hankerson (if fully healthy), S. Anderson, and S. Nelson - so that leaves another spot.
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09-29-17 11:16 AM - Post#233358
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Mackenzie is certainly talented enough to make a first or second team, but there are only so many points and stats to go around on any team....and stats are def a large component when choosing these teams. But I think all players would take a PL championship number one and then playing in the tourney and winning at least one game there.
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09-30-17 12:22 PM - Post#233377
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Bucknell listed as one of the mid-majors most likely to achieve perfect record in league play:
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/9/30/16383982...
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10-02-17 11:00 AM - Post#233421
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Interesting question for everyone. I am writing a preseason article for Mid Major Madness on the Patriot League and I was wondering if anyone had a picture they wouldnt mind me using. I dont want to get in trouble for using google pics or some crap.
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10-02-17 11:57 AM - Post#233425
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I would contact Bucknell's Athletics Communications and ask them for images you can use, or perhaps first find an image they've posted and ask permission to use it.
http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCL...
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10-16-17 06:02 PM - Post#234058
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At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams.
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10-16-17 07:58 PM - Post#234065
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At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams.
I'm hoping by March Bucknell will not look (or act) like a Cinderella.
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10-17-17 07:38 AM - Post#234071
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After knocking off some power conference schools during non-conference play they surely won't!
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10-17-17 03:31 PM - Post#234101
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At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams.
Official Announcement: http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2017/10/17/leagu ...
It is a good sign that Nana's picture is shown.
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