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Username Post: IVY FAN POLL        (Topic#20543)
mrjames 
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10-10-17 11:14 AM - Post#233693    

As per annual tradition, throw out your 1-8 order of finish, Ivy POY, ROY and 1st team picks. I'll aggregate and drop here and on Twitter right before the league teleconference!

 
westphillywarrior 
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10-10-17 11:30 AM - Post#233695    
    In response to mrjames

Ivy Tournament Champion: Penn

Regular Season:
1) Yale
2) Harvard
3) Princeton
4) Penn
5) Columbia
6) Cornell
7) Dartmouth
8) Brown

POY: Mason, Yale
ROY: Cambridge, Brown

All-Ivy:
Mason, Yale
Towns, Harvard
Stephens, Princeton
Brodeur, Penn
Oni, Yale
Aiken, Harvard

 
palestra38 
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10-10-17 11:34 AM - Post#233696    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Yale
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Cornell
Dartmouth
Columbia
Brown

Playoff winner: Yale (I continue to hope that whomever wins the 14 game tournament also wins the 2)

 
Okoro Dude 
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Re: IVY FAN POLL
10-10-17 01:13 PM - Post#233702    
    In response to mrjames

1. Harvard
2. Princeton
3. Yale
4. Penn
5. Columbia
6. Dartmouth
7. Brown
8. Cornell

POY - Aiken
ROY - Much

1st Team -
Aiken
Mason
Stephens
Oni
Boudreaux


 
SRP 
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10-10-17 05:22 PM - Post#233740    
    In response to Okoro Dude

Maximum likelihood:

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown

POY = Mason
ROY = Much

1st team:
Mason
Towns
Stephens
Oni
?????--call it Boudreaux, what the heck

 
jadwinjungle 
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10-11-17 11:49 AM - Post#233776    
    In response to SRP

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Brown

POY: Stephens
ROY: Faulds
First team: Stephens, Mason, Aiken, Boudreaux, Bruner

 
mrjames 
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10-12-17 12:44 PM - Post#233859    
    In response to jadwinjungle

Let's bump this back up... I'll be tallying these up next Tuesday!

 
PennFan10 
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10-12-17 03:23 PM - Post#233866    
    In response to mrjames

Yale
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Cornell
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth

POY: Oni
ROY: Jelani Williams

First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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10-12-17 03:33 PM - Post#233867    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:

POY: Oni
ROY: Jelani Williams

First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns


How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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IVY FAN POLL
10-13-17 12:52 AM - Post#233878    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

POY: Mason
ROY: Much

1st Team:
Stephens
Mason
Boudreaux
Aiken
Towns



Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-13-17 12:53 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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Re: IVY FAN POLL
10-13-17 09:49 AM - Post#233885    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown 
Cornell

POY: Oni
ROY: Much

First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Aiken, Bruner 

 
Old Bear 
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10-13-17 10:36 AM - Post#233890    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

i would prefer to wait until I have seen someone dribble once or twice, but:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Brown (surprise!)
Cloumbia
Dartmouth
Cornell

 
Tiger69 
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10-13-17 10:47 AM - Post#233894    
    In response to Old Bear

In my dreams:

Princeton
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Columbia
Yale/harvard (tie)

Penn

 
palestra38 
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10-13-17 10:56 AM - Post#233898    
    In response to Old Bear

As long as you put yourself ahead of Clownbia


 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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10-13-17 11:05 AM - Post#233902    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
In my dreams:

Princeton
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Columbia
Yale/harvard (tie)

Penn


That you hate Penn more than Harvard and Yale fills me with hope for the future.

 
palestra38 
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10-13-17 11:08 AM - Post#233906    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

He's a typical Princeton guy---he thinks the Harvard and Yale guys would think less of him if he put them under Penn. In actuality, they don't think of him at all.

 
Tiger69 
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10-13-17 04:10 PM - Post#233938    
    In response to palestra38

Just giving some of the Penn folks what they appear to enjoy.

 
iabhoops88 
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10-13-17 04:48 PM - Post#233942    
    In response to Tiger69

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Princeton
4. Penn
5. Cornell
6. Columbia
7. Dartmouth
8. Brown

POY - Makai Mason

1st Team
Myles Stephens
Miye Oni
Seth Towns
AJ Broduer
Bryce Aiken

ROY Jaron Faulds


 
PennFan10 
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10-13-17 05:50 PM - Post#233947    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
  • PennFan10 Said:

POY: Oni
ROY: Jelani Williams

First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns


How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team?



I think first team is more than just PPG ( just ask Boudreaux) but somewhere in the 14-15 ppg range.


 
SomeGuy 
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Re: IVY FAN POLL
10-14-17 12:12 AM - Post#233963    
    In response to mrjames

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown

POY: Stephens
ROY: Much

1st team:
Stephens
Mason
Aiken
Towns
Morgan


 
SomeGuy 
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10-14-17 12:15 AM - Post#233964    
    In response to jadwinjungle

Like the Bruner pick (though I didn't make it). Will be interesting to see who can make a big soph leap among all the great rookies from last year.

 
mrjames 
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10-15-17 01:38 PM - Post#234005    
    In response to SomeGuy

That 2016 class is gonna be an all-timer... NINE 2 win share players and 20 with half a win share as freshmen. Insanity.

 
bradley 
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Re: IVY FAN POLL
10-16-17 10:08 AM - Post#234035    
    In response to mrjames

Based on the assumption that Makai Mason will have lingering effects from foot injury:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown

All Ivy:
Aiken
Oni
Stephens
Towns
Bruner

POY:
Stephens

ROY:
?

Ivy League Tournament Champion:
Pick a name out of a hat

 
mrjames 
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10-16-17 10:39 AM - Post#234037    
    In response to bradley

Alrighty... I'll dive in here. Haven't done the work I'd normally do (probably won't be able to this year, sadly), but generally this is where my head is at:

Princeton
Yale
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

The top three to me seem to be pretty even, so I'll be the one that goes against the grain.

Penn's sorta in no man's land right now, probably closer to Columbia/Dartmouth/Cornel l than HYP, but significantly enough in between that I can see why they're gonna be a near-unanimous pick for 4th.

I really think Columbia's strong freshman class is going to help it EASILY outperform the #283 ranking on Bart Torvik's site, but that's a lot of ground to make up on Penn. The freshman class projects for about 24 WS over four years in my model, and last year's seniors only combined for 5, so there's a fair deal of evidence that the production might not drop.

I'm not a believer in Cornell just yet (and especially to the crazy Top 200 level that others are). Probably unfair to have them below Dartmouth, but Columbia/Cornell/Dartmout h are about as hard to pick between as HYP.

Brown - it's all about the defense. We'll see. They'll score points, for sure.

 
rbg 
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10-16-17 11:23 AM - Post#234042    
    In response to mrjames

Regular Season:
Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

Agree with most people here that Harvard, Princeton and Yale are a toss-up for the top 3. While I think Harvard has the most overall talent of that top group, I believe that Yale and Princeton are more disciplined teams. Comparing the Bulldogs and Tigers, I think Yale has a stronger core.

With the other 5 programs, I feel that all but Brown will see improvement this season. Penn seems to be a solid four. Columbia should be better than what some non-Ivy commentators are stating. While I think that Dartmouth and Cornell are a little below Columbia, it is not that far a drop. I think Brown will have a harder time this season, but things look better for next season.

POY: Mason (Runner-Up Stephens)
ROY: Faulds (Runner-Up Much)

First-Team
Mason, Aiken, Morgan, Stephens, Boudreaux
Second-Team
Oni, Cannady, Towns, Brodeur, Brunner



 
Columbia Alum 
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10-16-17 12:53 PM - Post#234048    
    In response to SomeGuy

Approx KenPom rank at end of the season:

1. Yale 12-2 #50
2. Harvard 11-3 #70
3. Princeton 9-5 #120
4. Columbia 7-7 #175
5. Penn 6-8 #190
6. Cornell 5-9 #220
7. Dartmohth 4-10 #240
8. Brown 2-12 #300

POY - Mason
ROY - Faulds

1st Team -
Aiken
Mason
Stephens
Morgan
Smith
Boudreaux

2nd team -
Brodeur
Oni
Faulds
Towns
Cannady

 
mrjames 
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10-16-17 06:09 PM - Post#234060    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Last call!!!

 
Mike Porter 
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10-16-17 08:47 PM - Post#234067    
    In response to mrjames

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

All Ivy:
Mason
Oni
Stephens
Towns
Brodeur

POY:
Mason

ROY:
Much


 
tkapiko 
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10-16-17 09:03 PM - Post#234068    
    In response to Mike Porter

Regular Season:

Yale
Harvard
Princeton
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown

POY: Oni
ROY: Faulds

1st Team: Mason, Stephens, Oni, Aiken, Towns
2nd Team: Bruner, Cannady, Boudreaux, Brodeur, Morgan

Ivy League Tournament Champion: Yale

 
westphillywarrior 
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10-16-17 10:52 PM - Post#234070    
    In response to mrjames

Three more predictions:

Harvard fans will really miss having Chambers to run the show.

Princeton fans will be disappointed that Much is not ready to play at this level this year. Desrosiers is more likely to contribute right away.

Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.


 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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10-17-17 08:49 AM - Post#234073    
    In response to westphillywarrior

  • westphillywarrior Said:

Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.



What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time?

 
mrjames 
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10-17-17 09:29 AM - Post#234074    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Results posted here!!!

https://twitter.com/ivybball/status/92027 397270454...

 
PennFan10 
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10-17-17 09:44 AM - Post#234075    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
  • westphillywarrior Said:

Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.



What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time?



I think you are being facetious. I think SD will settle on a lineup by the time IL play begins. He knows a lot more about his players this year than every before but also has some uncertainty with the return of AW and the 3 frosh. With the emergence of AJ and Betley, along with the experience he has coming back, he has the ability to be more patient with how he fits the new guys in. Last year he needed to figure out where his scoring was coming from, how they were going to defend and who was best fit for those roles. This year, as they shift to 2 bigs, there is some uncertainty as to who will become the producers alongside those top 3, but it seems more defined. And on defense I think they know what they have already.


 
Silver Maple 
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10-17-17 10:03 AM - Post#234076    
    In response to PennFan10

I'm pretty sure that, if you caught Steve in a moment of candor (perhaps with the involvement of alcoholic beverages), he would acknowledge that he took too long last season to settle on a lineup. I don't think he's going to make the same mistake this year.

 
PennFan10 
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10-17-17 10:13 AM - Post#234078    
    In response to mrjames

  • mrjames Said:


Mike,

Thanks for doing this. It's a fun way to kick things off. Love your stuff on twitter.


 
Tiger69 
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10-17-17 10:40 AM - Post#234080    
    In response to PennFan10

Ditto to PennFan10's remark. It's fun to have an appetizer to the long-awaited season to debate and carp about. There were no MR Jameses at harvard in my day.🐅

 
SomeGuy 
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10-17-17 11:32 PM - Post#234117    
    In response to westphillywarrior

I see why you think #1. Of course, Aiken could make a big frosh to soph leap and come back as more of a real PG.

The Princeton frosh are interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them ends up starting right away. I'm just not sure who.

Finally, on the Penn lineup, I wonder what would have happened if Betley hadn't gotten hurt early. Lineup might have stabilized a lot sooner if they had him from the start.

 
mrjames 
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10-18-17 08:13 AM - Post#234122    
    In response to SomeGuy

The funny thing about Harvard's offense is that it doesn't really need a point guard, per se. The motion offense is all about having multiple people combine to try to break a defense down. What it does need is an end-of-shot-clock playmaker off a high PNR. Aiken was more efficient in that set than any other past Harvard point guard.

Harvard's puzzles to solve are going to come in how to handle a front court rotation and the best combinations to play sound team defense. While I might be a little pessimistic this year, I will say that I expect Harvard to have a huge 2018-19 and 2019-20.

 
Tiger69 
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10-18-17 12:13 PM - Post#234135    
    In response to mrjames

I agree. However, as Harvard develops, so does everyone else. I would make them my SLIGHT favorites this season,and strong favorites in 2018-2019. But, by 2019-20 anything could happen as other Ivies close the gaps with talented newcomers. Then, there are the unknowns -- key injuries, dropouts, personal tragedies -- that one can never predict. And, you can only put five men on the court at once. I recall 2012 when Harvard was easily the deepest in talent in the League. But, a lot of that talent simmered on the bench as a thinner squad of Tigers ultimately prevailed.

 
PennFan10 
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10-18-17 02:53 PM - Post#234147    
    In response to Tiger69

personal tragedies? You know something T69?

 
mrjames 
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10-18-17 03:13 PM - Post#234148    
    In response to Tiger69

I think you're thinking of 2011... The 2012 team was deep and talented and did win the league. The 2014 team was the best of this era. I suspect 2020 will be as good or better than those. That being said, I don't doubt another Ivy could come along as well.

 
SomeGuy 
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10-18-17 04:38 PM - Post#234160    
    In response to mrjames

Another way to put this -- just because Amaker preferred pairing Chambers/Curry and Chambers/Aiken when he had the option doesn't mean that he has to have 2 PGs to succeed. Obviously Chambers will be missed, but playing a bigger lineup will have it's advantages as well (assuming that is how it shakes out).

 
SRP 
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10-18-17 07:22 PM - Post#234169    
    In response to SomeGuy

In theory, Amaker's motion offense doesn't require a PG to move the ball. In practice, in the games I saw, when Chambers was off the floor the offense all too often ended up in that desperation PNR at the end of the shot clock. That's supposed to be the bailout option, not the primary action. There were a lot of young guys playing, so perhaps the ball movement will improve and this will become a non-issue.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-19-17 06:05 PM - Post#234218    
    In response to SRP

USA Today Coaches Poll gives Harvard 2 votes (45th rank). No other Ivy votes

Note that James Jones has a vote as does St. Mary's coach Randy Bennett. St. Mary's vs Harvard headlines first round of upcoming Wooden Legacy Tournament.

 
Tiger69 
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10-19-17 09:24 PM - Post#234226    
    In response to mrjames

I stand corrected. I was thinking of Doug Davis' 2011 playoff team. Years go by faster at my age🙁

 
Mike Porter 
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11-10-17 11:32 PM - Post#235878    
    In response to Mike Porter

  • Mike Porter Said:
Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown

All Ivy:
Mason
Oni
Stephens
Towns
Brodeur

POY:
Mason

ROY:
Much




Um... can I get a Yale injury waiver do-over?!


 
PennFan10 
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03-04-18 03:03 PM - Post#250766    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
  • PennFan10 Said:

POY: Oni
ROY: Jelani Williams

First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns


How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team?



I think first team is more than just PPG ( just ask Boudreaux) but somewhere in the 14-15 ppg range.




FYI, Betley averaged 14.5 ppg




 
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